Oh I know... they are not wearing a gi and doing it on the street, therefore they modified Judo.
I normally don't link (or point out) these fallacies, but you are about as close to asking for it as you can get without knocking on my door and saying "excuse me sir, what fallacy am I committing at the moment?"Then your Judo training was modified and therefore not strictly focused on competition. You can't have it both ways. And this in turn COMPLETELY validates what O'Neill stated 70+ years ago. If that's not to your liking, well, nothing I can really do with that. Either accept what O'Neill stated (who very likely had more experience as a Judoka than you or anyone on this board) or don't accept it. It is entirely up to you.
Well, I must admit, you have stumped me. You win! Now, please enlighten me on what I should study, if anything? By your definition, people should not be training anything for self defense or law enforcement. See, if you use said training outside of your training clothing and on the street... it is by your definition, modified... and all those things you learned in training will then be detrimental to you. So, since you can't figure out what everyone will be wearing, and it will happen outside your training place... every art has to be modified and you will have to overcome those detrimental things. Would I be better off not training anything, so as not to have developed bad habits that will need to be modified?Correct.
I am accepting. You are right... my training sucks and will get me killed. I am waiting for you to enlighten me with which art to train in... that does not also suffer from the same problems that you have shown me. You can offer me the correct art to be training in right? One that does not have the same problems? I'll wait.Well, like I said, I'm merely pointing out historical fact. One may accept, reject or ignore it as they wish.
Well, I must admit, you have stumped me. You win!
By your definition, people should not be training anything for self defense or law enforcement.
Now, please enlighten me on what I should study, if anything?
I am accepting. You are right... my training sucks and will get me killed. I am waiting for you to enlighten me with which art to train in... that does not also suffer from the same problems that you have shown me. You can offer me the correct art to be training in right? One that does not have the same problems? I'll wait.
S.P.E.A.R. (Tony Blauer)
P.C.R. (Ken Good)
Ah, confirmation bias at its finest.Correct. And btw, at about the 50 second mark is a prime example of why sport Judo (or any sport training) is detrimental to effective SD. First, the one on top was more than content to stay on top and wrestle around. The one on the bottom missed about a dozen opportunities to end the fight brutally. Secondly, if just one of the crowd was a buddy and decided to punt one of their heads or just simply walk up and stomp on one of them, game over. So prime example of sport training methodology not being the best training methodology for the situation. The first demo in the video was another prime example where the guy goes to the ground on purpose. You don't go to the ground on purpose in a SD situation unless the area is controlled, the perp is controlled and ready to be cuffed.
And there we get to an actual issue with sport Judo training. This is an area where it tends to have gaps (same for sport BJJ, sport wrestling, etc.). Training oriented toward a sport that has a limited range (MMA's range is less limited than most, for example) will naturally tend to have gaps outside that range.May be we should discussion the following issue:
Which part of the sport Judo training can deal with the fist flying situation?
ooks like lots of dry, soft mat work, plenty of lighting, controlled environments, even a ton of body armor. Single opponent training
Youtube is your friend here.
Training for sport is different than training for self defense.
You have no idea, do you?
Most of it actually. Look up Gene Lebelle... he was a Judo guy who took a lot of challenge matches with different arts, and handled them quite well... including guys who could punch. While I am not a fan of Ronda Rousy, she went 12 and 0 in MMA, lots of fights in the UFC against gals that could punch. They eventually got her... but at the higher levels of MMA, they are going to give anyone problems. Also Karo Parisyan did well as a Judo player in MMA. I know Royce Gracie is bjj, but he won 3 of the first 4 tournaments (these tournaments took place in one night) and then went 30 minutes with Ken Shamrock, before he took a significant punch to the face. I remember the commentator saying "Now we will see if Royce can take a punch." Judo done well, does not give you much time to punch. Your first punch better be good against a Judo player, because you might not get another chance... and his throw is good.Which part of the sport Judo training can deal with the fist flying situation?