Doc said:I disagree sir. We practice this technique regularly stepping to the left settling into a horse stance and moving us out of the stance is not possible.
Well..........of course this technique can be taught in many different ways, but to address this: it's the act of stepping into that "immoveable" horse that can be the downfall, literally. I, we, practiced this as being a surprise move against us, who were standing there, humming and blinking, oblivious to what was about to happen. The grab of our shoulder was a grab into the attacker and back, so that there was not time to step with anything but the right foot, mostly to break an already beginning fall. The attacker is pulling the weight of your head (no offense) and your thorax, over the pivot of two points (your feet) which becomes even more effective for him if you kindly remove one of those pivot points by stepping away from him. The hand work intent was to start in on working on what was available, on the "fall in" as it were. When I stand around casually I don't stand in a wide stanced horse, and this technique was taught to us assuming that no one else does either.
For one the assumption is the grab is a close one for momentary control. If he grabs he will be close because he is not afraid. If he were afraid, he wouldn't grab at all and just punch instead.
Well, you can make the case that anyone who attacks you is afraid, but that aside, he has to get close to either pull or strike. He is wisely choosing to do both. If by momentay control you meant the time it takes to pull and punch you down to the ground then yes, it's for momentary control.
If he is so far away from you you have to step in front of him, you may be moving into a secondary strike with his right hand, and your angle will not be able to stop it.
See above: you had no choice but to move into him, and yes of course the next shot is his, but you can do something too, and the theoretical hope is that elbowing his grasp will "denature" that next shot. "Start throwing something" is the real world, especially if you weren't paying attention to things, and yes I understand that Kenpo nowadays couches everything in the "science" of the art, but hell, start throwing something. My angle is what it is; maybe not what I practiced (although with my way of doing it, it's pretty close, ie lousy). Too bad for me, but......( insert the phrase "start throwing something" here).
If he can, than something is being done incorrectly.
Yes, of course. I wasn't originally paying attention.
Well Ed Parker taught me to step to the left. He made it functional, and so do I. We practice and train techniques very realistically based on how I was taught and the personnel I train regularly who depend upon our methodology on a day-today basis in their regular employment in public law enforcement.
Which I respect, of course. "Killer/hunters" (no offense) can make most anything work, especially if their usual focus is hypervigilance. Can't hurt, though, for the average schmuck like yours truly to practice like he isn't a badass (or in a perceived war zone) because......I'm not.
May I ask, what is it you do to establish structural integrity significant enough so that your stance is immoveable?
Land in some semblance of a neutral bow while windmilling arms and hands with some accuracy, maybe even, if the attacker is dumb enough to allow it, cutting a 45 (angle not pistol, although the pistol would be a better choice) on him. Seriously, this technique is for a situation that is bad from the beginning. I practiced it with the understanding that it happens that way, and going back and reconstructing the attack so that I can "do it better" is good for teaching the movement involved, but not for practicing the movement involved. Thanks for your response. What I've written here is only my understanding, not "the" understanding, and maybe even not a very insightful understanding.