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[Kung Fu Wang107]

The video is showing the errors in push hands based on that method.

We are talking about the value of "not using force" in general combat situation.

In battlefield, your enemy tries to kill you. How can you apply "not using force" to deal with his full intentional attack such as to kill you?

 

[windwalker099107]

We are talking about the value of "not using force" in general combat situation.

In battlefield, your enemy tries to kill you. How can you apply "not using force" to deal with his full intentional attack such as to kill you?

Maybe you'er right

it might take a little force.
4oz or less to pull the trigger....

 

[Kung Fu Wang107]

How many people posting here can actually do what’s shown in the video?

Just for the sake of discussion here. If you want to spend 6 years of your training time to develop:

1. a punch that can knock down everybody on this planet.
2. a kick that can kick down everybody on this planet.
3. a throw that can take down everybody on this planet.
4. a push (without using strength) that can push away everybody on this planet.

Which one do you want to develop? If your choice is 4, why?

 

[Wing Woo Gar42]

"Pendency" care to expound on this



The video is addressing the method of practice within this line:

Wang Yongquan → Zhu Huaiyuan → Zhu Chunxuan → Li Youcheng

0:00 為什麼用力推手是錯的？
— “Why is pushing hard in push hands wrong?”

The explanation isn’t about intention or choosing not to finish.

It’s pointing to: how contact (點) point is established
and how the break (斷) already exists within that contact

The video is showing the errors in push hands based on that method.
How many people posting here can actually do what’s shown in the video?

Expounding on pedancy? That is like standing between two mirrors. Sorry but I’m just not interested in his argument enough to bother.

 

[Wing Woo Gar42]

We are talking about the value of "not using force" in general combat situation.

In battlefield, your enemy tries to kill you. How can you apply "not using force" to deal with his full intentional attack such as to kill you?

Ever seen a bull fight a matador? The killing blow comes when the bull charges. Occasionally the matador misses and gets gored, but not very often.

 

[Kung Fu Wang107]

I like to ask OP this question. At 1.40 of this video, he can push his opponent back with 1 finger while sitting on chair. What's the usage of this skill in combat?

I welcome answers from everybody on this question.

 

[windwalker099107]

I like to ask OP this question. At 1.40 of this video, he can push his opponent back with 1 finger while sitting on chair. What's the usage of this skill in combat?

Understanding Requires Experience
Without having the skill, without having felt the skill — how would one understand its usefulness or not?

The classics say: "A feather cannot be added, nor a fly or insect alight." (一羽不能加，蝇虫不能落)

By being able to feel it, one can change. If one can change, they don't meet the person's full mass — they deal with the force before it forms. In other words, the intent which arrives before the force.

Watch the demo again. The teacher says the break point is within the point itself — not pushing on the point, but on a ball, rotating as you relax. The force that pushes the other person away is their own force.

The feather and the fly in application.

If one cannot understand the demo, they should seek to do it — until they can.

 

[Kung Fu Wang107]

Understanding Requires Experience
Without having the skill, without having felt the skill — how would one understand its usefulness or not?

You are getting into chicken and egg issue here.

In another post,

1. You ask "How many people posting here can actually do what’s shown in the video?"
2. I then ask, "If I want to spend 6 years to develop this skill, what's the combat usage?"
3. You then ask in this post, "Without having the skill, without having felt the skill — how would one understand its usefulness or not?"

Let me restate this with my simple English:

A. Can you do skill X?
B. What's the usage to develop skill X?
A: Without having skill X, how would you understand the usefulness of skill X?

Do you see the chicken and egg issue here?

A: Why should I marry to this girl?
B: Without marrying to this girl, how would you understand the reason of why you should marry to her.

 

[Marsha Larts]

We are talking about the value of "not using force" in general combat situation.

In battlefield, your enemy tries to kill you. How can you apply "not using force" to deal with his full intentional attack such as to kill you?

Have you ever been on a battlefield? Single combat where the victor lives and the loser dies? Melee and formation?/rhetorical questions

Anyway, I was told that taijiquan's fighting method makes use of the concept "Plant Your Spear", as one of its most basic tactics and its primary method of "not using force" application.

But before that becomes the default of a person's taiji, it has to be built into the body. It doesn't get put there in any other way than by following one of only a couple of types of foundational training. Some of us have taken the time to outline the details of that foundational training for you over the years only to have you repeat the same questions and feign the same interest/ignorance over and over.

Anyway, after that has become the default of a person's taiji, they can dig into what is being shown in the opening post of this thread. IHTBF