Would you hit a woman who was unarmed?

[Jared Traveler]

Unmasked people get close to you all the time. They just choose not to attack you which is good considering that there's nothing to stop them from attacking you other than their personality and moral values.

Respectfully, I think you are grossly underestimating how challenging it is for untrained person or even a trained person to pull off a real world surprise ambush style assault on someone who has intently studied and literally survived by learning to read people and Pre-attack indicators.

But I can agree that everyone is vulnerable to one degree or another.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Respectfully, I think you are grossly underestimating how challenging it is for untrained person or even a trained person to pull off a real world surprise ambush style assault on someone who has intently studied and literally survived by learning to read people and Pre-attack indicators.

The next time you walk past someone or the next time you stand by someone ask yourself this question.

Has a stranger ever tapped you on the shoulder to get your attention? if so how difficult do you think it was for them to do that? Did you know they were going to tap you before they made contact? The only difference is that it was a tap and not a punch.

 

[Jared Traveler]

The next time you walk past someone or the next time you stand by someone ask yourself this question.

Has a stranger ever tapped you on the shoulder to get your attention? if so how difficult do you think it was for them to do that? Did you know they were going to tap you before they made contact? The only difference is that it was a tap and not a punch.

Again, no disrespect, but we come from different worlds. If someone is capable of unintentionally surprising you in this way we are not navigating the world in the same way.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

I haven't read through all the responses (just the first page or two), so others may be saying similar things.

To me, it's not about their gender. It's about the perceived threat. I bring what I think I need to. If a guy is getting physical, but in a way that doesn't present a problem that can't be easily controlled, I might not need to use strikes. The exact same for a woman.

Given the difference in average body strength and aggression (and, I think, likelihood of having significant training), it's probably more likely I'll need to bring all my weapons to bear if it's a man. But it wouldn't be because it's a man.

 

[PhotonGuy]

Would you hit a woman who was unarmed but attacking you?

You would probably get the book thrown at you.

 

[mograph]

With regard to public perception, this might be a good time to use self-defence tactics other than punching. It depends on the size of the woman, naturally.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Again, no disrespect, but we come from different worlds. If someone is capable of unintentionally surprising you in this way we are not navigating the world in the same way.

I'm still curious to know if some one had trapped you on the shoulder when you didn't expect it.

This is the world that I come from. I watch people and I run scenarios. For example I see a person with a gun. I then determine if I could attack that person in a way that he or she would not be able to grab their gun and shoot me. I have not come across any scenario where it would be impossible to surprise attack the person with the gun.

Getting shot after the attack is a different issue but in terms of the attack, yep I can land a punch. The only scenario where I can't land a successful punch with a high probability is through a frontal assault.

Police get surprise attacked from time to time. A lady at a Walmart was hit in the head with a baseball bat. Now if I was in a different country where I'm at a higher risk, then my level of alertness would be heightened I may have an larger personal space. Or a more sensitive space. The safer one feels that the environment is the lpower a person's defense is. Me in the hood is not the same alertness as me in a rich area.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Again, no disrespect, but we come from different worlds. If someone is capable of unintentionally surprising you in this way we are not navigating the world in the same way.

By the way just because someone hadn't suckered punched me yet doesn't mean that it's not possible. The whole point of taking preventive measures is an acceptance that it is possible. We don't prepare for the impossible.

 

[gerardfoy50]

I haven't read through all the responses (just the first page or two), so others may be saying similar things.

To me, it's not about their gender. It's about the perceived threat. I bring what I think I need to. If a guy is getting physical, but in a way that doesn't present a problem that can't be easily controlled, I might not need to use strikes. The exact same for a woman.

Given the difference in average body strength and aggression (and, I think, likelihood of having significant training), it's probably more likely I'll need to bring all my weapons to bear if it's a man. But it wouldn't be because it's a man.

 

[gerardfoy50]

As I mentioned earlier my kids judo coach is a woman slim build, normal he light about 40, luckily she a great natured person, but if she was violent by nature and she went at you, if you didn’t bring all your abilities 100% to the fight, man it would be a big mistake. Women can fight these days, not all, but then lots of men are physically weak with no training, forget gender

 

[Dirty Dog]

I don't believe so. If you're consciously thinking during a fight, you're not fighting at your best.

Nonsense. Ask any top level fighter if they stop thinking when they're going at it. Don't be surprised if they look at you like you're a loon.
People learning to fight go through stages, not unlike the Three Stages of Civilization in The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. And as that book says on the cover, "Don't Panic" is good advice. The three stages are: "What do I do???" followed by "I know what to do" followed by "Which of the five counters will I use?"

The original question is simplistic also, you just take it as face value.

Simple questions often lead to complex answers. "What does it mean to be good?" is a simple question. Good luck finding a simple answer.

If a woman swing at you, what would you do.

I have answered this several times. It depends.

The way you look at it, everything has too many options.

Not really. I am capable of handling the options. If you aren't, that's pretty much a "you" problem.

What is the point of covering everything?

Another simple question with a complex answer.

I made no effort to cover everything. I gave a simple answer, which I am pretty sure most readers understood. You got your knickers knotted about that. So I gave a somewhat longer answer, while explicitly stating that it did NOT cover all eventualities. And those knickers just got even more twisted.

Part of the problem is that men are socialised in a certain way, we have to treat women in a certain way and part of this is that it is taboo to hit a woman, generally this is a good thing but it all to often results in men being shocked into inaction and confused when attacked by a woman, this is because women traditionally also believed and behaved as people who would not use violence, problem is that times have changed and many not all women have a different attitude, because it’s only a minority of women who do this it’s still always a surprise when it happens

Holy run-on sentence Batman!

It's not 1922. I doubt there are many men today who have never had the chance to learn that this 1920-ish way of treating other people is not ok. If they don't learn that lesson, that says something unflattering about them.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Women can fight these days, not all, but then lots of men are physically weak with no training, forget gender

This is where reality is. Women who train to fight vs women with no training. Not all women train to fight but those that do can bring the hurt as well as beat many of the men out there,, including me.

 

[gerardfoy50]

Nonsense. Ask any top level fighter if they stop thinking when they're going at it. Don't be surprised if they look at you like you're a loon.
People learning to fight go through stages, not unlike the Three Stages of Civilization in The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. And as that book says on the cover, "Don't Panic" is good advice. The three stages are: "What do I do???" followed by "I know what to do" followed by "Which of the five counters will I use?"

Simple questions often lead to complex answers. "What does it mean to be good?" is a simple question. Good luck finding a simple answer.

I have answered this several times. It depends.

Not really. I am capable of handling the options. If you aren't, that's pretty much a "you" problem.

Another simple question with a complex answer.

I made no effort to cover everything. I gave a simple answer, which I am pretty sure most readers understood. You got your knickers knotted about that. So I gave a somewhat longer answer, while explicitly stating that it did NOT cover all eventualities. And those knickers just got even more twisted.

Holy run-on sentence Batman!

It's not 1922. I doubt there are many men today who have never had the chance to learn that this 1920-ish way of treating other people is not ok. If they don't learn that lesson, that says something unflattering about them.

Woman slaps a man in a bar, will she turn round and walk out, for sure. Guy slaps a woman in a bar, call a ambulance for him.

 

[JowGaWolf]

If Gabi Garcia ever comes after me, I’m just going to be trying to survive by whatever means necessary. She’s bigger than I am, stronger than I am, and is also a BJJ black belt.

I don't know who that is but from what you describe, if I'm thinking about gender then I clearly don't realize the danger in. But that's OK. I'm sure I will get an accurate read within the next 5 to 10 seconds lol.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Woman slaps a man in a bar, will she turn round and walk out, for sure. Guy slaps a woman in a bar, call a ambulance for him.

Did the woman beat up the man?

 

[Tony Dismukes]

I don't know who that is

Her Wikipedia page lists her weight as 209 lbs, but I think that's when she's cutting weight for MMA. I've seen her walking-around weight as between 235 and 249.

Gabi Garcia - Wikipedia

 

[JowGaWolf]

Woman slaps a man in a bar, will she turn round and walk out, for sure. Guy slaps a woman in a bar, call a ambulance for him.

Did the woman beat up the man?

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Her Wikipedia page lists her weight as 209 lbs, but I think that's when she's cutting weight for MMA. I've seen her walking-around weight as between 235 and 249.

Gabi Garcia - Wikipedia

OMG that's a losing fight for me. I hit hard but that would be like chopping down a redwood with a hatchet. And the reality is that there are women of a lesser weight that would be just as dangerous. Slap her in a bar. I'm pretty sure the ambulance is for the man who slapped her. There's a lady who trains Muay Thai at the same gym I train. She’s smaller but has some solid kicking skills. I have yet to think of her as a female martial artist. I simply think that her kicks are good enough to be a danger to me. Gender doesn't register until I think about how she's in shape and I'm still trying to get into shape. Beyond that she's just a quick fighter with some dangerous kicks.

 

[JowGaWolf]

I Personally like that women can be strong enough fighters to take out some men. To have a wife like that would make a tough team to deal with. To have that comfort that your wife, girlfriend, sister, niece, mother, daughter can take care of herself in that context is awesome. But I know some men aren't as excited about that as I am.

 

[gerardfoy50]

Did the woman beat up the man?

OMG that's a losing fight for me. I hit hard but that would be like chopping down a redwood with a hatchet. And the reality is that there are women of a lesser weight that would be just as dangerous. Slap her in a bar. I'm pretty sure the ambulance is for the man who slapped her. There's a lady who trains Muay Thai at the same gym I train. She’s smaller but has some solid kicking skills. I have yet to think of her as a female martial artist. I simply think that her kicks are good enough to be a danger to me. Gender doesn't register until I think about how she's in shape and I'm still trying to get into shape. Beyond that she's just a quick fighter with some dangerous kicks.

Other men in the bar, seen it happen and they were all mates who had grown up together, women can get away with treating men in a way that won’t work if it’s the guy doing, so in a fight all that socialisation pressure affects how a lot of guys react

 

[Steve]

I live in a semi-rural, quickly growing area, and we have a couple of different types of what I would consider real dangers... but they aren't from random people in a bar. Around here, we have a lot of people who are addicted to drugs, and they can be dangerous. And we have MAGA extremists groups who can be unpredictable and flair up from time to time.

But around here, at least, people don't really even interact with other people in the bar. I mean, we go in with our people, sit at the bar or at a table, have a drink or two, maybe watch the game. Eat a pizza or something fried, and that's about it. Then we go on our way.

So, out of curiosity, what sorts of bars do you all have in mind? And when you talk about "in the bar" do you all have in mind places where people are literally looking for trouble? If so, do you guys hang out in these places?