Shinwa vs Musashi vs other brands

[Chris Parker]

Well here is an article I found about the law in Japan regarding swords. If this is true I must say they can be quite harsh and you have many more rights in the USA.

Nihonto Kanji Pages - Japanese sword laws

What's so harsh about those laws? Simple regulation, common sense measures to me…

Sorry there is a misunderstanding here.

That is true.

It is not that I don't know about swordsmanship that is the issue(which is true).

Actually, yes, it is that. And the fact that you don't seem to be able to recognise exactly why that's a problem. You're actively promoting your ideas as valid and worthwhile to the discussion, your suggestions as being worthy of consideration, even though you freely admit you don't know anything about the subject beyond what your personal values tell you. Does that really seem like it's a good idea? I'll put it this way… I've done boxing, BJJ, and other things… but let's pretend I haven't for a second… if I was to say that, in an MMA match, all you need is to poke people in the eye with your thumb, because "it's only real when it's no rules", and you'd win every time… hell, Brock Lesnar is no match for a simple flesh grab to the inner thigh, he'll go down like a bag of cement, trust me… based on completely uneducated values, would you let that go in an MMA forum?

That's how you come across here… and that's why your lack of knowledge and awareness is a problem… and your lack of acknowledgement of the issue is your mistake. You think your opinion is valid. It's not. That's your misunderstanding.

it is that I don't care whether that guys technique will win a sword fight or not because nobody gets into sword fights.

You think that's the real issue? Look, neither myself, nor Paul are under any misapprehension that we will engage some epic clash of blades in the street (considering where Hyoho lives, he's got a much higher probability… but still won't engage in a duel with a rival samurai, of course). No.

The issue with the poor technique is that it's dangerous. Dangerous to the blade, dangerous to the user, dangerous to anyone around.

We are virgins discussing sex.

No, we're not. To use a far more accurate analogy, we're doctors identifying medical problems, diagnosing, and treating them, even if we've never suffered from the maladies ourselves. You're a guy who's looked up symptoms online and thinks he knows how to diagnose himself.

You are an expert in an irrelevant pursuit.

Only if you think that the only relevance can be engaging in a duel with a samurai. And, if you think that, you really have no place trying to argue with us.

That you have never had to rely on and never will.

Really? How do you know that? I can point to any number of aspects of my sword training that I've relied on, successfully and in differing contexts… they may not have been physical confrontations with live blades, but that's hardly the reason I train in these arts.

And so if a person swings a $150 sword baseball style at a bottle he will be killing as many people in sword fights as you have with years of training and a more expensive sword.

You really can't get past this tiny idea of what you think training in a sword art is about, can you? Here are some classical ideas for you…

兵法は平法なり… the methods of war become the methods of peace (Tenshinsho Den Katori Shinto Ryu)
殺人剣活人剣… the sword that kills, the sword that gives life (Yagyu Munenori, Yagyu Shinkage Ryu)

Swordsmanship training, even "back in the day", wasn't always necessarily about killing people… in fact, the exact opposite is espoused by many systems.

Now I don,t look down on you pursuing any activity you want for any or no reason. But then I don't look down on photon guy or even back yard bottle cut guy either for pursuing theirs.

This isn't about elitism, or wanting to keep anyone out of our "club"… it's about safety, as well as presenting the best advice we can offer.

And if photonguy wants to pursue some sort of traditional path to swordsmanship then yes you are the expert and you can go buck wild being one.

You genuinely don't know what you're talking about here…

Here's the thing. Paul mentioned it as well, but I'm going to re-iterate. This is a martial arts forum. It's a place where you go to have discussions with practitioners and instructors, gain insight and information, and learn. More to the point, this is the Japanese Sword Art forum. A forum dedicated to Japanese sword arts, practices, history, and so on… and, to that end, we will be rather concerned with presenting correct information, and good advice… after all, PhotonGuy might be able to swing around a cheap knock-off blade without injury, but how about the other young, inexperienced kids who might read it? I'm hardly about to give advice that you can get away with a cheaper blade, incredibly dangerous techniques and practices, and more, when I don't know who might hear it.

After all, if you give bad advice about boxing, MMA, BJJ or so on, and someone takes it, they might lose a fight… get a black eye or split lip… maybe get knocked out. If we give bad advice, and someone takes it, they might lose body parts… or worse. Probably the best (worst?) example found online is the case of Don Rice… he was fairly experienced with swords, but self taught in Iai, and lost concentration one day… and… well… I'll let you read. Make sure you check out the photos on the second page, and perhaps you'll see why we are so definite in not giving out advice that can lead to injury: Why the best piece of advice is "Get an Instructor" WARNING--DISTURBING PHOTOS ON P.2

But I am getting the impression that he doesn't and am giving him a cheaper simpler option.

A cheaper option is not the problem. Bad advice, based on a complete lack of knowledge, understanding, and experience is. Arguing with the people you acknowledge as having expertise because you have some warped idea of the value of your opinion doesn't help you.

Swordsmanship still has uses today its just that its uses has changed. Back in the day horses were a primary means of transportation. Now, ever since cars became widespread there is no longer any need for horses to be used to get around. People still do ride horses, equestrian is a big sport and a big pastime, but its use has changed. Now days people ride horses as a sport, a form of recreation, and a form of entertainment, so equestrian is still done in this day and age just for different reasons. By the same token traditional swordsmanship still has its uses.

Er… no. That's not the same token at all…

Chances are you are not going to ever engage in a real sword fight today but swordsmanship is a hobby, a form of exercise and physical and mental development and its a fascinating art that has deep cultural roots in the past. So people still do it today just for different reasons.

Some may, but that's not exactly the reasoning for much training in (particularly) Koryu sword arts… but that's taking us in another direction.

I don't disagree with that. I have no issue with the deep and fulfilling culture of traditional swordsmanship.

Really? Then you might want to work on how you come across, because it really seems like you have nothing but a lack of respect for such practices…

But we are getting advice from guys about horse riding who have only ever done horse stance.

No, you're getting advice on horse riding from people who have raised horses, broken them, ridden them, stabled them, and grown up with them… but never rode them in the Kentucky Derby (or Melbourne Cup, for us). The fact that you can't see the distinction is a big part of why your "advice" is so out of place.

 

[PhotonGuy]

What's so harsh about those laws? Simple regulation, common sense measures to me…

If you've read the link there was the case of a polisher who was suspected of breaking the law who had in fact done nothing wrong but nonetheless, just because he was suspected he was interrogated by police for hours and even after not being charged with any crime he still gets checked on by police regularly where they search his house at all odd hours and when he complained about it they "accidentally" slammed his head into a wall. I would call that quite harsh.

 

[Hyoho]

You think that's the real issue? Look, neither myself, nor Paul are under any misapprehension that we will engage some epic clash of blades in the street (considering where Hyoho lives, he's got a much higher probability… but still won't engage in a duel with a rival samurai, of course). No.

The issue with the poor technique is that it's dangerous. Dangerous to the blade, dangerous to the user, dangerous to anyone around.

Funny you should say that. After WWll and Budo being banned for a while there was distinct lack of teachers in Japan for while. For example the teachers kendo association had us guys around 40 years of age fielding a team of 4 instead of five for competition. That's in a population of 2 milllion+

So being in demand I did High School, University, Police Dojo and a Yakuza asked me to teach at his dojo also. The point being all the bad guys also learn but hopefully its for the right reasons.

 

[drop bear]

This isn't about elitism, or wanting to keep anyone out of our "club"… it's about safety, as well as presenting

No?

You do not have to be a Japanese sword master with a $5,000 sword to cut a bloody plastic bottle in half.

 

[PhotonGuy]

No?

You do not have to be a Japanese sword master with a $5,000 sword to cut a bloody plastic bottle in half.

What if you miss and hit the post below the bottle? With a cheap sword the blade could snap off and go flying and possibly hit somebody. That's exactly what happened in this famous Shop at Home video where the presenter was trying to show the strength of the sword by hitting it against a table and the blade snapped off and hit him.

 

[drop bear]

What if you miss and hit the post below the bottle? With a cheap sword the blade could snap off and go flying and possibly hit somebody. That's exactly what happened in this famous Shop at Home video where the presenter was trying to show the strength of the sword by hitting it against a table and the blade snapped off and hit him.

Then you will loose a table. And scratch up your sword.

We are not really comparing the same things. The tactana is just a machete in a sword shape. 1075 carbon steel some rivets some micarta and that is it. It is a cheap design that is essentially supposed to be crudely wailed into things.

You would be practicing with a garden tool.

At the end of that video a guy is chopping a branch with a $150 dollar sword.

Nobody will risk their thousand dollar sword in the same manner. Regardless how much training they had or how good they think their sword is.

And that is the difference I am trying to explain.

Two different options.

Here is your shinwa by the way.

 

[Hyoho]

Why dont you just show cook chopping carrots with kitchen knife. Maybe someone peeling and apple? You guys really just dont get it however much people try to help. Makes me wonder why some of you ever even got into MA in the first place.

 

[pgsmith]

Then you will loose a table. And scratch up your sword.

We are not really comparing the same things. The tactana is just a machete in a sword shape. 1075 carbon steel some rivets some micarta and that is it. It is a cheap design that is essentially supposed to be crudely wailed into things.

You would be practicing with a garden tool.

While what you say is essentially true, none of it has anything to do with Japanese swords and sword arts, which is the focus of this forum. Both of those videos that you posted show a moron working hard to earn a Darwin Award. From the view of someone that practices a Japanese sword art, they are both stupid and dangerous. It would be like showing a Power Rangers video in the MMA forum, then asking why people have a problem with it.

 

[drop bear]

While what you say is essentially true, none of it has anything to do with Japanese swords and sword arts, which is the focus of this forum. Both of those videos that you posted show a moron working hard to earn a Darwin Award. From the view of someone that practices a Japanese sword art, they are both stupid and dangerous. It would be like showing a Power Rangers video in the MMA forum, then asking why people have a problem with it.

Imagine someone did ask what gloves they should buy to be a power ranger in the mma forum.

Should I respond with just get a cheap set until you are actually going to commit.

Or should I say you cannot buy gloves until you have trained with Greg Jackson.

 

[PhotonGuy]

It would be like showing a Power Rangers video in the MMA forum, then asking why people have a problem with it.

Interestingly enough Jason Frank who stars as one of the Power Rangers is a martial arts instructor in real life and supposedly quite a good one too.

 

[Chris Parker]

If you've read the link there was the case of a polisher who was suspected of breaking the law who had in fact done nothing wrong but nonetheless, just because he was suspected he was interrogated by police for hours and even after not being charged with any crime he still gets checked on by police regularly where they search his house at all odd hours and when he complained about it they "accidentally" slammed his head into a wall. I would call that quite harsh.

I read the link. Thing is, that is not really anything to do with the laws, but more on an enforcement side (albeit far from ideal, sure… of course, there are details hinted at, but not described). And I was asking what was so harsh about the laws, not the officers enforcing them.

No?

No. And your lack of ability to listen to what you're being told, or grasp what is being said, is of no real matter at all. You don't know what you're talking about, and we do. So I recommend you listen.

You do not have to be a Japanese sword master with a $5,000 sword to cut a bloody plastic bottle in half.

Who the hell said you did? What we've been advocating is safe training practices, nothing like what you're suggesting… and, frankly, we'd never recommend using a $5,000 shinken for bottles… you'd ruin the thing… nor has anyone besides you even brought up the idea that there is any aim of cutting bottles at all… PhotonGuy hasn't yet answered what he wants the sword for… and has mentioned cutting bottles exactly zero times.

This usage (as it pertains to this thread) is your fantasy, as is your entire argument.

Then you will loose a table. And scratch up your sword.

You won't lose a table. And you'll scratch up your sword simply by cutting bottles, for the record. You'll scratch it up to a degree cutting tatami omote, even soaked. Once again, you don't know what you're talking about.

We are not really comparing the same things.

No, we're not. We're discussing swords, as requested by the OP, in the OP, and as determined by this sub forum, and you're trying to talk about god-knows what with no basis at all.

The tactana is just a machete in a sword shape. 1075 carbon steel some rivets some micarta and that is it. It is a cheap design that is essentially supposed to be crudely wailed into things.

You would be practicing with a garden tool.

So… you're admitting it has exactly no place in a forum or thread asking about training Japanese swords? What are you thinking you're actually adding to the thread?

At the end of that video a guy is chopping a branch with a $150 dollar sword.

Which means exactly what?

Nobody will risk their thousand dollar sword in the same manner. Regardless how much training they had or how good they think their sword is.

And, again, you show that you have a complete lack of understanding of the topic entirely… no-one is suggesting anything of the kind.

Look, can you do me a little favour? Recognise that you have no clue about what we do, or how we do it… so lecturing us on how we would or would not use our tools is completely baseless and out of place.

And that is the difference I am trying to explain.

You don't know the difference you're trying to explain. You think it's about cutting things (bottles etc), and any sword that can do that is fine… except there has been nothing in the entire thread indicating that that is even part of PhotonGuy's intent or request… and your take on what cutting is about is deeply and desperately flawed from the outset.

Look, the idea that everyone's opinion is valid is a sad lie. You're entitled to your opinion, sure… but your opinion does not automatically have value or weight… and, frankly, your opinion in this area is completely worthless. While Hyoho, Paul, and myself can see that easily, of course, others reading who don't have the experience we do might think that what you say is perfectly valid. It's not. And it's for them that I am posting, as bluntly, you have shown no ability to apply any form of critical thinking or any ability to take on the information you are given, so I have no hope of you learning anything. But I can hope that others reading can understand that reading your posts will not give them anything valid or worthwhile at all.

Two different options.

You don't know what you're providing options on, though.

Here is your shinwa by the way.

God, that's one awful piece of junk… movie-fantasy blade shape, terribly outfitted… useless "tool". Not a recommendation.

Oh, and "destruction tests" are only ever done by idiots who don't know what they're doing. Which is, frankly, the only way to describe everyone in every clip you've put up.

Imagine someone did ask what gloves they should buy to be a power ranger in the mma forum.

Should I respond with just get a cheap set until you are actually going to commit.

Or should I say you cannot buy gloves until you have trained with Greg Jackson.

Do you really think those are the same things? You do get that our first concern is that PhotonGuy has a teacher, yeah? And that the teacher should guide what he gets? I mean… for most sword arts (particularly kenjutsu systems), you'd simply use a bokuto (wooden sword)… we're not recommending anything like the "$5,000 sword" you keep referencing… nor are we suggesting he seeks out some kind of high level teacher… anyone teaching a legitimate system would be fine.

Seriously, you have no clue what you're talking about in anything in this whole thread. What makes you feel that your opinion even had any validity in the first place?

 

[drop bear]

You don't know the difference you're trying to explain. You think it's about cutting things (bottles etc), and any sword that can do that is fine… except there has been nothing in the entire thread indicating that that is even part of PhotonGuy's intent or request… and your take on what cutting is about is deeply and desperately flawed from the outset.

Look, the idea that everyone's opinion is valid is a sad lie. You're entitled to your opinion, sure… but your opinion does not automatically have value or weight… and, frankly, your opinion in this area is completely worthless. While Hyoho, Paul, and myself can see that easily, of course, others reading who don't have the experience we do might think that what you say is perfectly valid. It's not. And it's for them that I am posting, as bluntly, you have shown no ability to apply any form of critical thinking or any ability to take on the information you are given, so I have no hope of you learning anything. But I can hope that others reading can understand that reading your posts will not give them anything valid or worthwhile at all.

Look son. You really need to get out more. It is not about you.

We both have no idea what photonguy wants a sword for. But you have reached into his mind and decided exactly what he needs. Based on your needs.

The issue with your information as usual is it is so removed from the normal practically of daily life as to be pointless at this stage.

Ask for he time and you tell them how to make a watch.

All he has asked for is information on a practical sword. Which you have instead given him a lecture on how he has to be some sort of sword master before he can buy one.

If he wants a sword let him get a sword. If he wants to learn a Japanese sword art let him do that. If he dosent that is also fine.

If you are the expert recommended the guy a sword. Which so far you haven't been able to do.

 

[Hyoho]

Look son. You really need to get out more. It is not about you.

We both have no idea what photonguy wants a sword for. But you have reached into his mind and decided exactly what he needs. Based on your needs.

The issue with your information as usual is it is so removed from the normal practically of daily life as to be pointless at this stage.

Ask for he time and you tell them how to make a watch.

All he has asked for is information on a practical sword. Which you have instead given him a lecture on how he has to be some sort of sword master before he can buy one.

If he wants a sword let him get a sword. If he wants to learn a Japanese sword art let him do that. If he dosent that is also fine.

If you are the expert recommended the guy a sword. Which so far you haven't been able to do.

Then why even post this rubbish on a martial "arts" forum? The needs have nothin whatsoever to do with M.A. Go on Amazon whatever, buy one, get wet hacking up a few plastic bottles and post it on YouTube so we can all have a laugh. The only practice swords we use in MA are usually for the benefit of responsible MA people and post accordingly. The general rule in the past has been that only Yondan about use them anyway.

 

[drop bear]

Then why even post this rubbish on a martial "arts" forum? The needs have nothin whatsoever to do with M.A. Go on Amazon whatever, buy one, get wet hacking up a few plastic bottles and post it on YouTube so we can all have a laugh. The only practice swords we use in MA are usually for the benefit of responsible MA people and post accordingly. The general rule in the past has been that only Yondan about use them anyway.

So you can't recommend a sword?

At what point do you get to touch a sword in this sword art?

 

[Hyoho]

So you can't recommend a sword?

At what point do you get to touch a sword in this sword art?

When you have a beginners grade +4. Yondan is equivalent to 4 black belts. The original concept was to give beginners a mogito (unsharpened blade). After it was considered they had progressed enough not be danger to themselves or others the blade was sharpened.

Do you you actually devalue your own art? As I said before if I came to your training would you consider me to be proficient in what you do just because I am the headmaster of another art? I would be rank beginner and be asked not to fool around.

 

[Chris Parker]

You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're kidding…

No?

Okay, let's break down your lunacy bit by bit, shall we?

Look son. You really need to get out more. It is not about you.

I have never said it's anything to do with being about me, however PhotonGuy came to a sword-centric forum, to ask a question geared around Japanese swords, and he has been getting Japanese sword answers. You, on the other hand, have consistently made this about yourself, and your (completely uninformed) opinions and values. You have not "gotten out" at all in this regard… oh, and the use of "son" is cute, but you're missing how it's applied. Nice try, though.

We both have no idea what photonguy wants a sword for. But you have reached into his mind and decided exactly what he needs. Based on your needs.

Wrong direction there, mate. I have asked what he's using it for, you've been talking about the use for cutting up bottles in the backyard (nothing he's even indicated), based purely on the fact that a video you posted featured the act. In other words, this has been you projecting your (completely uninformed) perception of what someone would want (or need) a sword for. Based on your… well, nothing, really. You don't have anything to base it on.

The issue with your information as usual is it is so removed from the normal practically of daily life as to be pointless at this stage.

We're talking about swordsmanship… exactly what "practicality of daily life" do you think we should be addressing? Are you completely insane?

The only practicality required is suitable to the practice it's intended for. You've focused on a practice that is not brought up by the OP, or anyone other than yourself… and have been championing items that are eminently ill-suited to anything else (Iai, ken, serious tameshigiri, batto, hell, even kenbu for gods sake).

You seriously have no idea what relevance the information I (and others) have been giving has… because you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Ask for he time and you tell them how to make a watch.

Garbage. All this is is your lack of understanding of the topic and the conversation, as I have never once done anything of the kind.

All he has asked for is information on a practical sword.

Firstly, no, he hasn't. He has asked for information surrounding two cheap, Chinese brands (mass-produced) of Japanese-style "swords". There was no mention of anything to do with "practical sword". I mean, the entire OP is:

Shinwa and Musashi both make Japanese style katanas. Now Im trying to research if they're good companies and how they compare to each other as well as other katana brands.

Nothing about "a practical sword" at all. In fact, the first time anyone even suggested any usage was you, in post #13… where you said what you would be wanting a sword for:

What do you need this sword to do?

You can get sword shaped machetes that are sturdy enough to chop a tree down. Or cut some bamboo.

Which is the direction i would head.

As you can see, even there you were deciding what you thought the emphasis should be… even though you weren't sure of why PhotonGuy was after a sword yourself. That's where this lunatic idea of yours has come from, and your entire line of thinking… which has come from you, not from me, not from Hyoho, not from the OP, or from the poster themselves.

Secondly, even if PhotonGuy had asked for a "practical sword", the first thing would be "practical for what"? Which was never answered

Which you have instead given him a lecture on how he has to be some sort of sword master before he can buy one.

Find me one post by myself here where I say anything of the kind. Seriously, just one. I'll wait.

If he wants a sword let him get a sword. If he wants to learn a Japanese sword art let him do that. If he dosent that is also fine.

Once again, get through your head what this forum is. If he wants to get a sword, and take his own damn fingers off, that's his prerogative… but if he's going to come to a Japanese Sword Arts forum, and ask Japanese sword practitioners about Japanese swords, guess what kind of answer he's going to get.

If you are the expert recommended the guy a sword. Which so far you haven't been able to do.

Garbage. We've very specifically given advice on this subject… but the reality is that we can't simply recommend "a sword", as it doesn't work that way. It's like someone asking you what kind of car to buy, and you suggest a Toyota Hilux, because you think they're hard-working and reliable… okay, but the guy wants to enter it in rally races. Or you recommend a Ferrari because you think red is the best colour for cars, but the person has 7 kids and no funds… although, frankly, recommending a car is far, far easier.

Here's the reality… the best advice whenever anyone asks what sword they should buy is to check with their instructor. Which is the first advice he was given. Mainly as, not only do different approaches to sword have different ideal traits, different systems will sometimes have very specific requirements themselves, running the gamut from blade length and sori, to tsuka ito maki, to the rest of the koshirae, and beyond. Not only will the teacher be aware of what is required (and suitable) for the student, they will know what is suited to the system being practiced.

We really weren't being flippant when we suggested that.

So you can't recommend a sword?

Nope. Not with any accuracy, without more information than PhotonGuy has provided (he hasn't even confirmed yet that he is studying "Tenshin Ryu" under Conti, for instance). But what we can say is that these cheap, mass-produced, factory made, Chinese-forged items tend to be rather inconsistent in the way they're put together, with issues in the fittings and more, with low quality tsuka (prone to splitting), ill-fitting mekugi (which makes the blade loose, and leads to more problems down the road), poorly fitted tsuba (requiring more seppa), ill-fitted saya (particularly in the koiguchi, leading to all manner of issues in drawing), and more. So, if such a weapon is purchased, it's highly recommended that it gets pulled apart and thoroughly inspected by someone who knows what they're looking at prior to purchase. As such, they are not items that tend to get much recommendation.

At what point do you get to touch a sword in this sword art?

What sword art do you think you're asking about? I mean… in Kendo, you're likely to never "touch" a sword (shinken)… same with any number of koryu systems… some Iai systems (koryu) start you with a shinken… ZNKR Iaido and you start practicing with a shinken after 3rd Dan, as Hyoho said…

You really need to get this understood. You don't even know what the various approaches to sword are… how could you possibly be in a position to offer anything close to advice?

 

[drop bear]

When you have a beginners grade +4. Yondan is equivalent to 4 black belts. The original concept was to give beginners a mogito (unsharpened blade). After it was considered they had progressed enough not be danger to themselves or others the blade was sharpened.

Do you you actually devalue your own art? As I said before if I came to your training would you consider me to be proficient in what you do just because I am the headmaster of another art? I would be rank beginner and be asked not to fool around.

My art has a bit of a different culture/mentality.

If you are proficient. You are proficient.

We have had rank beginners take classes if they have a skill set.

 

[drop bear]

Nope. Not with any accuracy, without more information than PhotonGuy has provided (he hasn't even confirmed yet that he is studying "Tenshin Ryu" under Conti, for instance). But what we can say is that these cheap, mass-produced, factory made, Chinese-forged items tend to be rather inconsistent in the way they're put together, with issues in the fittings and more, with low quality tsuka (prone to splitting), ill-fitting mekugi (which makes the blade loose, and leads to more problems down the road), poorly fitted tsuba (requiring more seppa), ill-fitted saya (particularly in the koiguchi, leading to all manner of issues in drawing), and more. So, if such a weapon is purchased, it's highly recommended that it gets pulled apart and thoroughly inspected by someone who knows what they're looking at prior to purchase. As such, they are not items that tend to get much recommendation.

So the op.s question was what do people think of shinwa or musashi or can recommend a sword?

And you cant.

 

[Hyoho]

So by the standards you suggest we can all start out own school with a "proficiency set".

Recommending swords we also consider the user. So I am guessing he will say NO

 

[drop bear]

So by the standards you suggest we can all start out own school with a "proficiency set".

Recommending swords we also consider the user. So I am guessing he will say NO

And you don't think that is a bit obsessive compulsive?

I mean would you refuse to recommend a car. Or a knife or toilet paper based on not having enough information of the user?

I do a bit of bushcraft from time to time. And the knife question is very similar to this sword question.

What survival knife should i get?

And you get guys like yourself who are just too involved in their own expertise and will suggest things like this. Because without a serious knife you will die out there.

TOPS Knives BOB Brothers of Bushcraft Hunter 4-5/8 inch 1095 Blade, Brown Micarta Handles



And look it is a good piece of kit. Or you can get sexy custom jobs for even more money.

And you can suggest once a person goes down the track a bit and knows what he is doing to make a choice on these sorts of things. And then the type of knife becomes important depending on specific use and environment. And training becomes important.

But most people dabble and are going to loose the thing or bust it so generally you recommend this.

Amazon.com : Morakniv Companion Fixed Blade Outdoor Knife with Sandvik Stainless Steel Blade, Black, 4.1-Inch : Hunting Fixed Blade Knives : Sports & Outdoors

Which in all honesty will do everything you really need it to do without the hype. But more importantly is easily accessible.

And knives are sharp you can injure yourself and others being an idiot. But common sense plays a role much more than year with a practice knife. In my opinion.

So as far as I have seen here. You can either be patronising or helpful.

Which one are you being?

Because so far I have recommended a sword that will chop hard stuff and not break.

You have mocked people for cutting bottles in a back yard.

This is how I am familiar with the condor brand by the way. I have some of their knives.