AI can be our MA teacher

I'd be interested to hear how you came to this conclusion.
Personal experience.
And a Google search that backs it up…

Martial Arts with the Weakest Striking Power
  • Aikido: Frequently cited as having the least violent and weakest strikes. It focuses on using an attacker's energy against them, utilizing joint locks and throws instead of punches or kicks.
  • Tai Chi: While a profound internal art, it is often practiced for health, meditation, and balance, with a focus on slow, controlled movement rather than high-impact, powerful strikes.
  • Wing Chun (in some contexts): Known for rapid-fire, close-range punches (chain punches), it is often considered to have low attack power compared to arts that utilize full body weight, focusing instead on speed and precision.
 
Personal experience.
And a Google search that backs it up…

Martial Arts with the Weakest Striking Power
  • Aikido: Frequently cited as having the least violent and weakest strikes. It focuses on using an attacker's energy against them, utilizing joint locks and throws instead of punches or kicks.
  • Tai Chi: While a profound internal art, it is often practiced for health, meditation, and balance, with a focus on slow, controlled movement rather than high-impact, powerful strikes.
  • Wing Chun (in some contexts): Known for rapid-fire, close-range punches (chain punches), it is often considered to have low attack power compared to arts that utilize full body weight, focusing instead on speed and precision.
Personal experience? Is that experience as shallow as your Shotokan and aikido experience, each of which seems not to have extended for more than a few months under instructors of questionable skill and knowledge?

And then you did a Google search. ā€˜Cause you know it’s true if you find it on the internet.

Wow. Find a real teacher and do some training. You have zero credibility.
 
Personal experience.
And a Google search that backs it up…

Martial Arts with the Weakest Striking Power
  • Aikido: Frequently cited as having the least violent and weakest strikes. It focuses on using an attacker's energy against them, utilizing joint locks and throws instead of punches or kicks.
which is why they are weak on striking, it is not focused on. Other styles are weak on joint locks and throws, because they don't focus on them
  • Tai Chi: While a profound internal art, it is often practiced for health, meditation, and balance, with a focus on slow, controlled movement rather than high-impact, powerful strikes.
If practiced for heath, yes. If the actual martial intent is included then, no. Although you are not likely to see a boxing type punch since as a martial art, it tends to like to be close. And I can tell you being hit at close range, think 1 inch punch type of thing, by someone who knows how to use fajin.... is rather powerful and penetrating
  • Wing Chun (in some contexts): Known for rapid-fire, close-range punches (chain punches), it is often considered to have low attack power compared to arts that utilize full body weight, focusing instead on speed and precision.
Obviously was never punched or hit by the Wing Chun people I have been punched or hit by. And the chain punch is not the main focus of Wing Chun. It is however a rather dramatic and impresive thing to use in movies and watch on YouTube Videos
 
Sounds like you received some poor quality instruction in Shotokan. I can see how that would inform your opinion.
I received awesome instruction in Shotokan.
My instructors were mostly students of JKA Instructor Takashina and occasionally Takashina himself and another guy who was the first non-Japanese to ever progress beyond a first degree black belt in the JKA back in the early 1960’s, so my instruction was only two, three, or four degrees removed from Gichin Funakoshi and Masatoki Nakayama.
As great as the instruction was, it was just infrequent at times and I was left to my own devices to train and learn as many folks did in the 1980’s and earlier.
I would have far preferred to augment my early martial arts years with AI rather than Bruce Tegner’s books.

Kicking and punching isn’t exactly the prime focus in aikido. Strikes are a part of it, but the heavy focus is in blending and movement and breaking structure and joint manipulations/joint locks and takedowns. Why would you think you would go to aikido to learn punching and kicking? Sounds like you had a very brief time and also poor quality instruction in aikido as well.
I agree that kicks and strikes aren’t the prime focus in Aikido.
However, that’s not something that an Aikido school will tell you when you walk through their doors for the first time.
And like I said, I would NOT go to Aikido to learn kicks and punches because you have a better chance of learning proper technique from AI than an Aikido instructor.
Also, I had pretty good instruction in Aikido.
The instructor was a student of Koichi Tohei, so only a degree or two removed from O’sensei.


I would say you would benefit greatly from finding a skilled instructor in something and dedicating yourself to some real training.
I would.
Sadly, I’m I a traditional martial arts desert.
There’s no traditional Japanese or Okinawan karate within an hour of me in any direction.
There’s not even a decent TKD school in town.
 
I received awesome instruction in Shotokan.
My instructors were mostly students of JKA Instructor Takashina and occasionally Takashina himself and another guy who was the first non-Japanese to ever progress beyond a first degree black belt in the JKA back in the early 1960’s, so my instruction was only two, three, or four degrees removed from Gichin Funakoshi and Masatoki Nakayama.
Is this the fellow you described as an out-of-practice shodan teaching a summer recreation class 40 years ago? You had one summer of instruction, followed by books?

I agree that kicks and strikes aren’t the prime focus in Aikido.
However, that’s not something that an Aikido school will tell you when you walk through their doors for the first time.

Literally, I have never seen an aikido school or teacher or practitioner claim that aikido teaches you great striking skills. I have never seen that deception perpetrated.

Also, I had pretty good instruction in Aikido.
The instructor was a student of Koichi Tohei, so only a degree or two removed from O’sensei.

You described your aikido experience as less than a year, of which only 6-9 months were with any level of commitment. The sensei may have been great. Your experience with it was too brief to have been meaningful.


Sadly, I’m I a traditional martial arts desert.
There’s no traditional Japanese or Okinawan karate within an hour of me in any direction.
There’s not even a decent TKD school in town.

I get your frustration. Quality instruction isn’t available to everyone. That’s life, and it ain’t fair. If you want to turn to books, video, and Ai for guidance, that is your choice. I honestly feel your time and efforts would be better spent doing general fitness like running, swimming, cycling, strength training, etc., than what you will get from such resources.

My real beef is when people come into the forums belittling various arts, especially when they have had little or no experience of quality in those methods. New People come into here all the time, making those claims as if we have never heard such opinions before. You can dislike aikido or taiji or whatever else, for whatever reasons you want. Nobody says you have to like them or do them. That is your choice and you are free to make it. But coming on here and trash talking them is tedious and nonsense and we have all heard it many times before. That is when I’m going to tell you that you are full of s h i t and you need to grow up.
 
Personal experience.
And a Google search that backs it up…

Martial Arts with the Weakest Striking Power
  • Aikido: Frequently cited as having the least violent and weakest strikes. It focuses on using an attacker's energy against them, utilizing joint locks and throws instead of punches or kicks.
  • Tai Chi: While a profound internal art, it is often practiced for health, meditation, and balance, with a focus on slow, controlled movement rather than high-impact, powerful strikes.
  • Wing Chun (in some contexts): Known for rapid-fire, close-range punches (chain punches), it is often considered to have low attack power compared to arts that utilize full body weight, focusing instead on speed and precision.
What is it they say ? ā€œTiming and precision over speed and powerā€
 
I agree that kicks and strikes aren’t the prime focus in Aikido.
However, that’s not something that an Aikido school will tell you when you walk through their doors for the first time.
And like I said, I would NOT go to Aikido to learn kicks and punches because you have a better chance of learning proper technique from AI than an Aikido instructor.
Also, I had pretty good instruction in Aikido.
The instructor was a student of Koichi Tohei, so only a degree or two removed from O’sensei.
if you truly studied Aikido you would understand what and were the ā€œstrikingā€(atemi) is and occurs….if needed
 
Is this the fellow you described as an out-of-practice shodan teaching a summer recreation class 40 years ago? You had one summer of instruction, followed by books?
One of them.
Yep.
After the summer class, maybe three to five times a year I’d accompany him when he’d visit and train with the godan who learned karate in Japan, but primarily I was practicing and learning on my own from printed materials the majority of the time.
I did this until the brown/black belt level.
I feel that I could have accomplished pretty close to the same level with the online material and AI available today.

It’d be an incredibly interesting experiment, don’t you think, to see how far and well AI and online resources could take someone without human interaction and feedback?

Literally, I have never seen an aikido school or teacher or practitioner claim that aikido teaches you great striking skills. I have never seen that deception perpetrated.
Neither have I.
The sad part is that the instructors don’t even know that they don’t know how bad their techniques are and that they’re probably doing a disservice by teaching them.

You described your aikido experience as less than a year, of which only 6-9 months were with any level of commitment. The sensei may have been great. Your experience with it was too brief to have been meaningful.
My training was extensive enough that I knew that I couldn’t use it to realistically defend myself on the street.
It was great fun though.
Probably the most fun I ever had in a martial arts style.

I get your frustration. Quality instruction isn’t available to everyone. That’s life, and it ain’t fair. If you want to turn to books, video, and Ai for guidance, that is your choice. I honestly feel your time and efforts would be better spent doing general fitness like running, swimming, cycling, strength training, etc., than what you will get from such resources.
It’s not so much a learning curve, but more the camaraderie and maintaining motivation when in a class vs doing it alone.
If there’s one thing that would prevent someone from learning a martial art from AI and online resources, that’s it: the lack of human interaction and feedback rather than the material.
I’m not sure someone could commit to a year of pure AI instruction.

My real beef is when people come into the forums belittling various arts, especially when they have had little or no experience of quality in those methods. New People come into here all the time, making those claims as if we have never heard such opinions before. You can dislike aikido or taiji or whatever else, for whatever reasons you want. Nobody says you have to like them or do them. That is your choice and you are free to make it. But coming on here and trash talking them is tedious and nonsense and we have all heard it many times before. That is when I’m going to tell you that you are full of s h i t and you need to grow up.
Didn’t mean to offend anyone and I think that I said as much in my original statement about disparaging Aikido.
But, sometimes you have to keep it real.
If you cannot step back emotionally and take a reasonable, rational, emotionally disconnected, realistic look at a martial art, well…I’m probably not the one who needs to grow up.
 
Didn’t mean to offend anyone and I think that I said as much in my original statement about disparaging Aikido.
Back in 1977, Sensei Armando Flores and 1 of my friends came to visit me. I invited both to compete in a local Karate tournament. Both of Armando and my friend got dis-qualified in the 1st match by punching on his opponent's face. A week later, Armando got kicked out of his Aikido Association because he competed in Karate tournament.

 
I agree that kicks and strikes aren’t the prime focus in Aikido.
However, that’s not something that an Aikido school will tell you when you walk through their doors for the first time.
And like I said, I would NOT go to Aikido to learn kicks and punches because you have a better chance of learning proper technique from AI than an Aikido instructor.
Also, I had pretty good instruction in Aikido.
The instructor was a student of Koichi Tohei, so only a degree or two removed from O’sensei.
I actually asked a friend of mine who teaches aikido what his classes were like last summer. The first thing he told me was giving me a warning they don't teach strikes at the school he trains at.
 
Back in 1977, Sensei Armando Flores and 1 of my friends came to visit me. I invited both to compete in a local Karate tournament. Both of Armando and my friend got dis-qualified in the 1st match by punching on his opponent's face. A week later, Armando got kicked out of his Aikido Association because he competed in Karate tournament.


I knew an Armando Flores — Met him in Hawaii; we were both in the military at the time.
I’m wondering if it might be the same person, as the name and description sound familiar.
Looks like the same guy in the clip....

He was quite skilled and trained and taught in Aikido schools on Oahu.

Interestingly, he was the one who suggested that I study Taiji to better understand my CMA practice at a deeper level. This would have been around 1980.

Do you happen to have any additional background information on him?
It’s been a long time, and I’m curious whether we’re talking about the same person.
 
I knew an Armando Flores — Met him in Hawaii; we were both in the military at the time.
I’m wondering if it might be the same person, as the name and description sound familiar.
Looks like the same guy in the clip....

He was quite skilled and trained and taught in Aikido schools on Oahu.

Interestingly, he was the one who suggested that I study Taiji to better understand my CMA practice at a deeper level. This would have been around 1980.

Do you happen to have any additional background information on him?
It’s been a long time, and I’m curious whether we’re talking about the same person.
If he was in Austin Texas during 1977, then we are talking about the same person.

I still remember in that Karate tournament, they put me in the final match (without going through elimination). My opponent moved in inch by inch with strong defense. I was forced moving back out of ring twice and I lost that fight.
 
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I actually asked a friend of mine who teaches aikido what his classes were like last summer. The first thing he told me was giving me a warning they don't teach strikes at the school he trains at.
Yep.
I agree.
Aikido schools probably do NOT officially teach kicks and strikes, yet they use them in every session, or at least that was my experience.
We defended against kicks, punches, and strikes every night but I never once remember any of that being formally taught.
 
Yep.
I agree.
Aikido schools probably do NOT officially teach kicks and strikes, yet they use them in every session, or at least that was my experience.
We defended against kicks, punches, and strikes every night but I never once remember any of that being formally taught.
That was probably some ā€Steven seagal ā€inspired aikido, to which aikido organisation did your school belong.
 
That was probably some ā€Steven seagal ā€inspired aikido, to which aikido organisation did your school belong.
Not sure.
It was an ongoing University of Florida Aikido Club.
Aikikai maybe?
I do remember that Koichi Tohei came to teach once, but I wasn’t there.
Tohei had started his own organization by then (after the death of O’sensei) which was highly adversarial to the Aikikai, but being an independent educational organization the club could probably bring in anyone they wanted to give seminars.

And this was probably 1988-1989, right around the time of Segal’s first movie, ā€œAbove the Lawā€.
Pretty certain that Segal got his black belt while practicing with Tohei.
 
Not sure.
It was an ongoing University of Florida Aikido Club.
Aikikai maybe?
I do remember that Koichi Tohei came to teach once, but I wasn’t there.
Tohei had started his own organization by then (after the death of O’sensei) which was highly adversarial to the Aikikai, but being an independent educational organization the club could probably bring in anyone they wanted to give seminars.

And this was probably 1988-1989, right around the time of Segal’s first movie, ā€œAbove the Lawā€.
Pretty certain that Segal got his black belt while practicing with Tohei.
Definitely do not sound as Aikikai or Tohei’s Ki-Aikido. Morihei Ueshiba died in 1969
 
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