Okay, I'll try and explain how they're different. Our actions aren't always consistent with our characteristics. Meaning, intelligent people can do unintelligent things and coordinated people can trip and fall down. You saying something ignorant doesn't automatically mean you're ignorant.
i understand that, i was more referring to your initial comment to something i said, i dont know why you said it. but its many posts ago and is irrelevant at this point. so no use in derailing the important debate and the thread in general, ill let it go.
You're getting to hung up on the motions and missing the principal. It's not the action itself of bowing, but it's about showing respect. The MA class(regardless if it's in the US or not) understands that bowing is a sign of respect and why it's important. The fact that bowing isn't rooted in American culture is meaningless, the fact that they know what it means is important.
its been my observation that people bow in class because they are told they have to. people will bow due to the requirements and expectations of the class which is far different than having a feeling of sincere gratitude or respect in your heart and having that express itself as a bow. by this i mean people will bow as an empty gesture. it is not our (im in America) culture to express things with this gesture. wouldnt it be more appropriate to shake hands or bump gloves like in boxing. why is it that we bow and not shake hands?
What would qualify as "various reasons"?
i could point out that for a long time in America and still continues that bowing is a religious problem for many people. i actually know of one American 8th Dan master of Okinawan Goju ryu that had to give up his karate and dojo when he married a born again Christian women and converted to her church and religion. many Christian, Jehovah and i think Muslim people find it a sin and intolerable to bow or meditate.
Again, your comment is ignorant. Meaning, it's based off misinformation and thus you draw inaccurate conclusions.
nope not even close.
Many styles of MA have you learn the techniques in the original language, that's not solely a "Judo and Karate" method.
learning a language is expected if your in another country and/ or the teacher is from another country and uses his language to teach. that is perfectly acceptable. but it is not a method, its a fact of life that people speak different languages. i also understand many styles other than Judo and karate do this. i just felt that it would be "understood" that i dont need to make a list of every art and that those two would be representative of the general concept.
The use of GIs wasn't invented as a means for marketing "Judo and Karate" when it came to the US
In summary, neither the foreign terms nor GIs were created as marketing gimmicks when MA came to the US.
i never said it was
invented as a marketing tool. you are reading into things that were never said or implied. i am well aware of the origins of the Gi probably much more so that you are. its called cultural appropriation and was
used as a marketing gimmick. to be specific you cant
invent or create cultural appropriation. it has to be there already.
while it might seem natural to you to do this, it would be a little odd for someone to travel to France to learn to be a chef and upon their return insist that the restaurant staff use French names like cuillere and couteau, for all the utensils and kitchen tools when they reside in Ohio.
i will repeat myself .....please explain why these cultural things are integral to the art and that without them the martial art will be diminished somehow.
and while you are explaining you could also explain why karate uses Okinawan or Japanese when the art was created and originally in Chinese, and yet the Okinawans used their own language/??????
