Don't other people also deserve health care, an education, housing, and respect?

SensibleManiac

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And to try to give a free lunch to everyone is to bring total bankruptcy to those who do work and contribute.

Under the current systems we employ, yes you are right, but it's not impossible for life to truly be free, as a matter of fact it's most likely probable, as soon as we stop being against it. By we I'm talking about humanity in general.
 

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Under the current systems we employ, yes you are right, but it's not impossible for life to truly be free, as a matter of fact it's most likely probable, as soon as we stop being against it. By we I'm talking about humanity in general.

This is not necessarily the failure of the welfare state. Our fractional debt based fiat currency has devalued that anyone who attempts to use it, including the government, can hardly pay for anything. The Libertarians, anarchocapitalists, and John Birchers rail against both, but absolutely refuse to make the connection between the two for purely ideological reasons. One one hand, they want to blame the Welfare State for the expansion of state debt, however a fractional debt based fiat currency will always lead to a debasement of value in the currency whether their is a Welfare State or not.

Clever humans and and have devised other financial systems where a Welfare State AND a market economy may coincide and coexist peacefully.
 

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