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Most of what we do here is either splitting hairs or telling random somewhat-related stories and anecdotes. Every once in a while there's a nugget of useful information hiddenThe deafening sound of hairs being split
I competed in another fighting style without speaking to my Sensei first (serious)
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Youāre doing it again
I know and itās fun.I remember attending a studentās psychology seminar where in one project, pictorial stimuli of male and female gender items were presented to participants; space rocket = male, flower = female, yacht = female etc. One of the profs put his hand up and asked if as the student suggested ,a scuba diver really was a āmaleā stimulus. A forty minute debate on whether the image of a scuba diver was male or female ensued and I was once again reminded that psychology is the doofus of the sciences
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Ahahaha this is hilarious. I asked for the score card from ISKA, definitely not what I expected.
I was blue.
I thought round 1 was a toss up, round 2 I lost, and round 3 I trashed him.
I got a second wind in round 3. I was working him. Cracked him with a spinning kick to the body, leg kicks, body kicks, non stop tagging him in the head until the bell.
At this point Iāll dox myself and post the film when the promotion drops it, this egregious.
Tomorrow Iām going to start cross training for real, kyokushin sparring only pushes me so much.
I was blue.
I thought round 1 was a toss up, round 2 I lost, and round 3 I trashed him.
I got a second wind in round 3. I was working him. Cracked him with a spinning kick to the body, leg kicks, body kicks, non stop tagging him in the head until the bell.
At this point Iāll dox myself and post the film when the promotion drops it, this egregious.
Tomorrow Iām going to start cross training for real, kyokushin sparring only pushes me so much.
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Well boss... The other day I showed up for training and they were actively discussing how some of the teens sustained injury sparring too hard and how we should all be more careful. I know how to read the room, so I decided to keep my mouth shut for the time being.
At least until after the tournament.
Iām not sure I follow. Was the implication that you were responsible for their injuries?
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I was at home drinking beers and eating McDonald's, most certainly wasn't me.
You should be doing neither of those things
Green tea and shojin ryori only. No women either!Notdirtydannnnn3 4
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Ahhh, the Buddhist code.You should be doing neither of those things
If it makes you feel any better I did have green tea this morning.
Do you compete much in Iai or Wado Ryu?
Straight or with vodka?
Not at all. To compete for trophies and shiny medals, to seek adulation from others, even inadvertently, seems vulgar to me. The techniques of Iai were developed and honed in an environment where people were maimed and even killed by them and to use those techniques for baubles seems wrong to me. I suppose this doesnāt really apply so much to Karate where, at worst the worst one can expect is unconsciousness or more likely, a bloodied nose or missing teeth, but even so I feel sporting competition degrades the nobility and dignity of the art I love.
There are actually many traditional combat artists who feel this way, so Iām not just a weirdo!
Sounds somewhat disrespectful to the product of fungus working 3-4 generations without oxygen - unless it was bud, then the combo seems "fair" and i have no further comments.
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I couldn't stomach any type of liquor anymore if I tried.Straight or with vodka?
Not at all. To compete for trophies and shiny medals, to seek adulation from others, even inadvertently, seems vulgar to me. The techniques of Iai were developed and honed in an environment where people were maimed and even killed by them and to use those techniques for baubles seems wrong to me. I suppose this doesnāt really apply so much to Karate where, at worst the worst one can expect is unconsciousness or more likely, a bloodied nose or missing teeth, but even so I feel sporting competition degrades the nobility and dignity of the art I love.
There are actually many traditional combat artists who feel this way, so Iām not just a weirdo!
Fair enough, to each his own; everyone has something they hold sacred and you make a good point about the vanity involved in modern martial arts. But fighting in general is a very egotistical affair, I suppose it cannot be avoided.
Yes haha I know an old school kung fu guy who hates everything about modern martial arts, and you know what? He is right.
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I don't exactly remember, but I am pretty sure I had Natty lights and a tall boy Natty Daddy, even worse than budlight.
The Hagakure advises: āBe attentive to how much you can imbibe without becoming drunk, and do not exceed your limit. Still, one will become intoxicated on occasion. When carousing, be constantly on the alert to deal with any unexpected occurrence. Drinking is a communal activity, so be very careful of your public appearance.āI couldn't stomach any type of liquor anymore if I tried.
If people want to compete in competitions, then thatās OK, but a little introspection on why they want to compete might be informative. Itās rare to see a bit of humility in competitions. Instead, when a point is scored the winner turns his back to his opponent and fist pumps the air with a snarl on his face and itās accepted. In contrast, Iāve seen a Kendoka disqualified for a subtle fist pump, post āipponā. Lyoto Carvalho Machida actually does behave respectfully toward his opponent.
Maybe I shouldnāt read too much into it since there are cultural differences between the West and The East, but it does make me cringe!
Thatās his attitude, heās not necessarily ārightā.
These are some of the issues I have with competition:
They have a focus on winning. Budo emphasises personal development, self-improvement, and the cultivation of character. Competitive matches tend to prioritize winning above all else, which can shift the focus away from these essential aspects of Budo.
They can lead to an over-development of the ego. Budo encourages practitioners to transcend their ego and develop humility. In competitive matches, the desire to win can inflate the ego and foster a sense of superiority over opponents. This goes against the humble and respectful attitude that is integral to traditional Budo.
They discourage mutual benefit. Traditional Budo emphasises the concept of āmutual benefitā (KyÅsei), where practitioners aim to improve themselves while also benefiting their training partners and the community. Competitive matches often prioritise individual success and can foster a mentality of defeating opponents rather than fostering mutual growth and support.
They can foster a disregard for harmonious interaction. Budo places great importance on harmonious interaction and maintaining a balance between oneself and others. In competitive matches, the goal is often to overpower or defeat opponents, which can create an environment that is less focused on harmonious interaction and more on dominance.
Limited Range of Techniques. Competitive matches usually have specific rules and regulations that restrict the range of techniques that can be employed. Kendo is a good example of this where only the head, wrist and abdomen are legitimate targets. Traditional Budo, on the other hand, emphasizes the exploration and mastery of a wide variety of techniques for self-defense, personal growth, and spiritual development. The focus on winning within the confines of competitive rules can hinder the comprehensive study of Budo techniques.
Ethical Concerns. While competitive matches in martial arts generally have rules to ensure safety, there is still a risk of injury. Traditional Budo prioritises the well-being of practitioners and emphasises ethical values such as respect, compassion, and non-aggression. The potential for injuries in competitive matches may contradict these values.
It's important to note that some forms of Budo have adapted to incorporate competitive elements while still preserving the essence of traditional practice. However, the points mentioned above highlight some of the ways in which competitive matches can be seen as contrary to the traditional values and goals of Budo.
They have a focus on winning. Budo emphasises personal development, self-improvement, and the cultivation of character. Competitive matches tend to prioritize winning above all else, which can shift the focus away from these essential aspects of Budo.
They can lead to an over-development of the ego. Budo encourages practitioners to transcend their ego and develop humility. In competitive matches, the desire to win can inflate the ego and foster a sense of superiority over opponents. This goes against the humble and respectful attitude that is integral to traditional Budo.
They discourage mutual benefit. Traditional Budo emphasises the concept of āmutual benefitā (KyÅsei), where practitioners aim to improve themselves while also benefiting their training partners and the community. Competitive matches often prioritise individual success and can foster a mentality of defeating opponents rather than fostering mutual growth and support.
They can foster a disregard for harmonious interaction. Budo places great importance on harmonious interaction and maintaining a balance between oneself and others. In competitive matches, the goal is often to overpower or defeat opponents, which can create an environment that is less focused on harmonious interaction and more on dominance.
Limited Range of Techniques. Competitive matches usually have specific rules and regulations that restrict the range of techniques that can be employed. Kendo is a good example of this where only the head, wrist and abdomen are legitimate targets. Traditional Budo, on the other hand, emphasizes the exploration and mastery of a wide variety of techniques for self-defense, personal growth, and spiritual development. The focus on winning within the confines of competitive rules can hinder the comprehensive study of Budo techniques.
Ethical Concerns. While competitive matches in martial arts generally have rules to ensure safety, there is still a risk of injury. Traditional Budo prioritises the well-being of practitioners and emphasises ethical values such as respect, compassion, and non-aggression. The potential for injuries in competitive matches may contradict these values.
It's important to note that some forms of Budo have adapted to incorporate competitive elements while still preserving the essence of traditional practice. However, the points mentioned above highlight some of the ways in which competitive matches can be seen as contrary to the traditional values and goals of Budo.
I love high contact sparring, I endorse getting bruised and delivering and getting real pain as a learning and hardening tool, but real injury or damage is only stupid. That's why I'm not into boxing either.
I have to admit that if I had to sign up for full contact competition, and i know the opponent want to put a heel into my temple at full force to get a medal, I would do my best to do the same and i would not hold back on power. But just a tiny bit of contemplation seems to me to reveal that as a "stupid game". Even if I won at the price of causing serious injury to someone I would probably feel like a fool for playing the game.
Maybe paradoxal that you train to do maximal damage, and you can to pressure test it, but hope you dont have to use it, because there is no good outcome of the game.
This is why I also dont like the idea of competition and knocking someone out. In sparring, you settle with taking the breath out of someone or getting them a nice bruise that lasts for a week or two, but thats where the limit goes. Even knowing the limit takes high control. Which is why I refrain from certain techniques in sparring. its not becaues i cant do them, its because the risk of too much damage is high because im not good enough.
I have to admit that if I had to sign up for full contact competition, and i know the opponent want to put a heel into my temple at full force to get a medal, I would do my best to do the same and i would not hold back on power. But just a tiny bit of contemplation seems to me to reveal that as a "stupid game". Even if I won at the price of causing serious injury to someone I would probably feel like a fool for playing the game.
Maybe paradoxal that you train to do maximal damage, and you can to pressure test it, but hope you dont have to use it, because there is no good outcome of the game.
Youāre weirdā¦
ā¦but not insane
ā¦they seem, on the most part, to survive.
Thus, can you be sure your techniques could knock someone out?
Ooo you brute!
The host organism normally survives yes, but i was thinking I'm fine with killing some muscle cells in sparring but not brain cells.
I am not certain of anything in the world. I'm just a predicitive encoder and confidence is all I have. And I feel confident enough.
Even if you actually knock 10 people out, you you be sure of the future when you meet opponent #11?
I accepted to live without certainty. But there is a self-regulation here in that at some point, i'm confident enough - and out of resources to there is not room for further reflection about uncertainty. I think this is when the subjective experience of beeing certain happens. So certainty is still subjective.
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Personally no, although I would have liked to have been told before hand - if only to give my support.
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