This has most likely been asked before but what are the major differences in the Kajukenbo systems? Example: Original/Palama/Gaylord
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Chizikunbo
Purple Belt
I have read elsewhere that there are like 6 commonly accepted branches of KJKB those are Original, Chuan Fa, Wun Hap Keun Do, Tum Pai, Gaylord, and Ramos methods, as I understand it they are all the SAME base art with new interpretations...same beer different way of grabbing the mug possibly??
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--josh
Chizikunbo
Purple Belt
Thank you for the clarification ;-)
IWishToLearn
3rd Black Belt
Interesting, thanks for posting. 
marlon
Master Black Belt
What would the kajukenbo community make of one of the founders (original BB society) meeting a Hawaian kempo instructor looking at his material that he has been practicing for decades and decides that with his lineage and his material that he is at mastery level in kajukenbo, awarding him a certificate and not asking him to change a thing...even though he never called his stuff kajukenbo?
Just to be clear i am in no way shape or form refering to myself.
Respectfully,
Marlon
Just to be clear i am in no way shape or form refering to myself.
Respectfully,
Marlon
Certificates confer no knowledge. Neither do they re-write history.
Those that have spent their martial arts careers in Kajukenbo know who came in the front door and earned their ranks thru years of training, support, and loyalty to the Kajukenbo system.
And we know who came in the back door with a checkbook and left with some paper and title.
You can't re-write history. Either you were training in Kajukenbo during your career and received "earned" rank, or you trained in something else and received "honorary" rank in Kajukenbo.
Anyone who claims black belt rank in Kajukenbo should be able to demonstrate the curiculum from one of the 4 branches of Kajukenbo, not some other system.
Those that have spent their martial arts careers in Kajukenbo know who came in the front door and earned their ranks thru years of training, support, and loyalty to the Kajukenbo system.
And we know who came in the back door with a checkbook and left with some paper and title.
You can't re-write history. Either you were training in Kajukenbo during your career and received "earned" rank, or you trained in something else and received "honorary" rank in Kajukenbo.
Anyone who claims black belt rank in Kajukenbo should be able to demonstrate the curiculum from one of the 4 branches of Kajukenbo, not some other system.
marlon
Master Black Belt
Thank you. What, in your opinion, could constitute another 'branch' of a specific martial art? What makes a style a 'branch' rather than something different. BTw in the scenerio i mentioned above the person would have trained and earned rank in a kaju system but then form thier own 'style' based around the system they trained in but never called it kajukenbo. and the 'story' goes that the rank was not paid for nor was it asked for and was given by one of the founders of kajukenbo, with insistance, as a recognition...of that person's style being in the same ohana as kajukenbo. I am just curious, and do not really care ...training is truth not opinions and politics and names and titles
Respectfully,
marlon
I'll just address Kajukenbo. The branches and methods of Kajukenbo have always been "Kajukenbo" first, and a branch or method second. They just evolved their techniques. But they were always "Kajukenbo", and never considered a separate system.
Their creators never refered to themselves as founders of a separate system. In fact all 4 branches of Kajukenbo were approved by Sijo Emperado as branches of Kajukenbo, not separate systems. He is the head of all Kajukenbo, which includes all branches and methods.
Now I'm absolutely positive that the late Marino Tiwanak, Sonny Gascon, George Pesare, the late Nick Cerio, and Fred Villari, would never claim that their systems are branches of Kajukenbo under Emperado. They consider/considered themselves to be founders of their own system.
The definition of a branch of Kajukenbo wasn't actually written down until around 1990, when the International Kajukenbo Association was reactivated by Sijo Emperado. The requirements to apply for branch status in Kajukenbo was something like a current Kajukenbo "method" that had over 1000 members, and 3 generations of black belts. There also had to be unique techniques and concepts that are not present in the 4 branches. At this time I don't remember all the exact requirements, but know that no other branches have been added to the 4 (Original/Kenpo, Chuan Fa, Wun Hop Kuen Do, and Tumpai).
As to one of the founders recent rash of promotions, again I say history cannot be rewritten.
99.9% of all the Kajukenbo black belts in the world are in the lineage of Sijo Emperado. They are either his students, students of his students, or students of students of students, etc. He has established a continous legacy since the late 1940's. With the exception of Joe Holck, no other Kajukenbo founder has actively taught or made Kajukenbo black belt promotions until recently.
Over a year ago Sijo Emperado made the decision not to promote anyone anymore. He appointed a "Board of Advisors" consisting of 9 grandmasters (9th degree). One of their duties was to review and approve or disapprove of all 8th and 9th degree promotions in the the Emperado organization (KSDI-Kajukenbo Self Defense Institute of Hawaii).
When Sijo stopped promoting people, some individuals sought promotions elsewhere. They decided to create a "legacy" for one of the other founders who is very old and in poor health.
So in the last year we have seen several people promoted to 8th and 9th degree. People were cross ranked from other systems. Some 4th and 5th degrees were promoted to 8th degree. One individual who was a 6th degree 3 years ago was promoted to 8th degree, and then 3 months later promoted to 9th degree.
Many high ranking people in Kajukenbo are of the opinion that you do not create a "legacy" by promoting someone else's black belts to high ranks. You create a legacy by bringing up your own students to black belt, and assisting them in bringing up their students, and their students, and their students. This is done in decades, not a year or two.
RevIV
Black Belt
What would the kajukenbo community make of one of the founders (original BB society) meeting a Hawaian kempo instructor looking at his material that he has been practicing for decades and decides that with his lineage and his material that he is at mastery level in kajukenbo, awarding him a certificate and not asking him to change a thing...even though he never called his stuff kajukenbo?
Just to be clear i am in no way shape or form refering to myself.
Respectfully,
Marlon
If we are thinking of the same individual his Black Belt diplomas do say KajukeMbo
marlon
Master Black Belt
