Would you hit a woman who was unarmed?

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women can get away with treating men in a way that won’t work if it’s the guy doing, so in a fight all that socialisation pressure affects how a lot of guys react
I've heard this this when I was growing up but not so much now. Times have changed . I used to at similar things in my twenties but I don't say it now especially as women are coming into their own power. I know there are men who don't like this and wiry that men are becoming less masculine. I just don't see it.
 

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And when you talk about "in the bar" do you all have in mind places where people are literally looking for trouble? If so, do you guys hang out in these places?
Lol if I didn't hang out at the skating rink where teens where being shot, then there was no way I would hang out as an adult where asks get shot. I mostly did the club thing in areas where being shot was a low risk compared to other clubs.

I didn't go to wild places "I love my people" but during that time too many were trying to be gangsta and prove how tough they were. I didn't want Abby part of that life style.
 

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How men see women is also a cultural thing. Since high school black women were always talked as being Queens and strong black women. That started in the last 1980's for me and lasted until the first X- man movie. The image shifted when the Storm hit the big screen. Black women have always been seen as tough by the black community but now they had their action hero.

Any growing pains have long since vanished. I don't know many weak black women. I wonder when they will reach the MMA phase.
 

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Since high school black women were always talked as being Queens and strong black women. That started in the last 1980's for me and lasted until the first X- man movie. The image shifted when the Storm hit the big screen. Black women have always been seen as tough by the black community but now they had their action hero.

Any growing pains have long since vanished. I don't know many weak black women. I wonder when they will reach the MMA phase.
Almost 40 years ago, I was one of the original members of the Baltimore chapter of the Guardian Angels. After the guys who came to Baltimore to train us moved on, the chapter ended up under the command of a young lady named (if my memory isn't failing me after all these years) Cissy Henson. She was short, black, built like a Sumo wrestler, and would scrap and spar with any guy in the club.

One of the exercises we would train was calling "time" on a subject. The idea was for a patrol's worth of Angels to just surround a suspect in a circle and detain them for the cops. We weren't supposed to initiate any violence. But we would practice encircling one of our members and seeing whether they could break through the circle and get away.

Around this time we had a guy join use for a while who claimed to have been a Navy Seal. I don't know whether he was telling the truth, but he was strong and tough and had a military bearing. When we put him in the middle he didn't have much trouble punching a hole in the circle, knocking down anyone who got in his way, and running away faster than we could catch him. Then the though occurred to him, based on his military training, that he should begin by taking out the leader. So the next time we put him in the circle, he tried to tackle Cissy on his way out. She sprawled, tied him up, stopped him dead in his tracks, and the rest of us just calmly walked over, grabbed his arms and legs, picked him up and laid him down on the floor.

Funny thing was, I don't think that Cissy had any official martial arts training that I ever knew of. She was just a tough woman who knew how to brawl. If she had actual training she would have been really scary.
 

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Almost 40 years ago, I was one of the original members of the Baltimore chapter of the Guardian Angels. After the guys who came to Baltimore to train us moved on, the chapter ended up under the command of a young lady named (if my memory isn't failing me after all these years) Cissy Henson. She was short, black, built like a Sumo wrestler, and would scrap and spar with any guy in the club.

One of the exercises we would train was calling "time" on a subject. The idea was for a patrol's worth of Angels to just surround a suspect in a circle and detain them for the cops. We weren't supposed to initiate any violence. But we would practice encircling one of our members and seeing whether they could break through the circle and get away.

Around this time we had a guy join use for a while who claimed to have been a Navy Seal. I don't know whether he was telling the truth, but he was strong and tough and had a military bearing. When we put him in the middle he didn't have much trouble punching a hole in the circle, knocking down anyone who got in his way, and running away faster than we could catch him. Then the though occurred to him, based on his military training, that he should begin by taking out the leader. So the next time we put him in the circle, he tried to tackle Cissy on his way out. She sprawled, tied him up, stopped him dead in his tracks, and the rest of us just calmly walked over, grabbed his arms and legs, picked him up and laid him down on the floor.

Funny thing was, I don't think that Cissy had any official martial arts training that I ever knew of. She was just a tough woman who knew how to brawl. If she had actual training she would have been really scary.
My dad taught me to be kind my mom taught me to be cruel. I would like to see more black women in martial arts, but I don't think that will happen until MMA gets it black female warrior who dominates. That's when things will really get crazy. Lol

But I think it will be a good thing for martial arts. I don't want my daughter to think she can't do something. I don't want her to feel as if martial arts is barbaric. Or that is just a man thing. One day.
 

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Would you hit a woman who was unarmed but attacking you?
I used to somewhat regularly kumite with Marriett Buck. She told some students that in a real fight I'd beat her because of strength but I think she was being very generous. I wouldn't bet on me to win. When I was teaching I had a young woman student that had sevetral older brothers. She was solidly built and very strong. She was tough as nails and learned very quickly, she had a punch like Mike Tyson and I'm pretty sure that she could more than hold her own against most men. I'm sure that if either of these woman wanted to fight, I'd have to use all of my skills to save my ***.
 

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Would you hit a woman who was unarmed but attacking you?
Do you mean again? Yep, sure have, and will again if the circumstances warrant it. Seen too many guys hurt seriously by women claiming to be "ladies" while they try to gouge your eyes out. Having a uterus doesn't give you a pass, and on the job, I had one rule with women. As long as you act like one you will be treated like one." If you "man up" on me the rules shifts to just another suspect.
 

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I used to somewhat regularly kumite with Marriett Buck. She told some students that in a real fight I'd beat her because of strength but I think she was being very generous. I wouldn't bet on me to win. When I was teaching I had a young woman student that had sevetral older brothers. She was solidly built and very strong. She was tough as nails and learned very quickly, she had a punch like Mike Tyson and I'm pretty sure that she could more than hold her own against most men. I'm sure that if either of these woman wanted to fight, I'd have to use all of my skills to save my ***.
Some women can develop significant strength training and can hit very hard, but that is not where the fight is won or lost. She might be able to punch as hard as some men, but she can't take the same punch and punishment that most men can.
 

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Some women can develop significant strength training and can hit very hard, but that is not where the fight is won or lost. She might be able to punch as hard as some men, but she can't take the same punch and punishment that most men can.
You sure about that? I'm pretty sure there a quite a few women out there who take a hit better than most men. Some of them do it on a regular basis in competitions.
 

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Some women can develop significant strength training and can hit very hard, but that is not where the fight is won or lost. She might be able to punch as hard as some men, but she can't take the same punch and punishment that most men can.
The same can be said of men. Some men can't take a punch or a kick.
 

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Would you hit a woman who was unarmed but attacking you?
Even though I am a woman I feel if a woman is coming at you to attack then there is no reason not to protect yourself, When I was in Karate I was taught there was no gender only how to protect yourself. I was taught how to do as much damage as possible to get away with little force. If a man or a woman was coming at me I am going to protect myself no matter what gender they are.
 

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You sure about that? I'm pretty sure there a quite a few women out there who take a hit better than most men. Some of them do it on a regular basis in competitions.
Yeah, I'm sure. A minuscule number of women who train professionally to fight in the ring are not the norm, and your logic is flawed. But if you want to go that route, consider this. Take two average people, one female, and one male. Let them both train the same for an equal amount of time, and then answer the question. There's a reason women do not compete against men in combat sports. Now if you want to take that same trained woman and go find some weak male who is not athletic and plays video games all the time after work, you MIGHT have an argument.
 
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Surely you respond in accordance to the level of threat?
To a point. There are many aspects to using force justifiable, legal, moral, preferences, tactical. In one situation I might be willing to take some "damage" and in another zero damage.
 
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Yeah, I'm sure. A minuscule number of women who train professionally to fight in the ring are not the norm, and your logic is flawed. But if you want to go that route, consider this. Take two average people, one female, and one male. Let them both train the same for an equal amount of time, and then answer the question. There's a reason women do not compete against men in combat sports. Now if you want to take that same trained woman and go find some weak male who is not athletic and plays video games all the time after work, you MIGHT have an argument.
You said "most men" not "most trained men" or "most men with training". That's different.
 

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You said "most men" not "most trained men" or "most men with training". That's different.
"I'm pretty sure there a quite a few women out there who take a hit better than most men. Some of them do it on a regular basis in competitions."

Ok, now you're making even less sense. If you want to make comparisons they should be reasonably the same. Women who take hits in competition can take a hit but that doesn't mean they can take a hit from a man who is also in competition. You say "They can take a hit better than MOST Men." That is categorically incorrect. I said they can take a hit better than SOME men. Compare apples to apples and you have no argument. As I said before, all things being equal, a woman doesn't have a shot which is why they don't compete against each other..
 

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Surely you respond in accordance to the level of threat?
Ever heard of it’s the quiet ones you got to watch, when facing an unknown attacker you can’t tell what they are bringing, guy down the street from me is 63 skinny and not tall, but he’s an ex royal marine. Overconfidence will get you messed up
 

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