What's the difference between Taiji and wrestling, or boxing?

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I found the real Taichi.

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A: How do you use your boxing to end a fight?
B: I knock my opponent out.

A: How do you use your wrestling to end a fight?
C: I let my opponent's head to meet the ground.

A: How do you use your Taiji to end a fight?
D: I ...

What will be your respond if you are D?
 

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A: How do you use your boxing to end a fight?
B: I knock my opponent out.

A: How do you use your wrestling to end a fight?
C: I let my opponent's head to meet the ground.

A: How do you use your Taiji to end a fight?
D: I ...

What will be your respond if you are D?

Don't know, depends on what the other guy does, there is no such thing as he does 'A' I do 'B' in any real fight. Taiji could strike, kick, throw, lock....depends
 

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A: How do you use your boxing to end a fight?
B: I knock my opponent out.

A: How do you use your wrestling to end a fight?
C: I let my opponent's head to meet the ground.

A: How do you use your Taiji to end a fight?
D: I ...

What will be your respond if you are D?
Probably by chuckling at B and C for having some a simplistic, black and white, either/or approach to their training.
 
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Don't know, depends on what the other guy does, there is no such thing as he does 'A' I do 'B' in any real fight. Taiji could strike, kick, throw, lock....depends
This is why I believe in Taiji, there is something missing after the push hand training.
 

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This is why I believe in Taiji, there is something missing after the push hand training.
San Shou sparring is what's missing from many kung fu schools (for lots of different reasons, but in the case of Tai Chi mostly because of the lack of good teachers with combat experience).

And if you look at a lot of "Tai Chi San Shou" videos online you'll see what I mean.

This video illustrates decent form and Tai chi Quan principles. But the "San Shou" component is plain silly. This is for show, but it'll look pretty.


What you need is someone who trains to fight, and also learns Tai Chi, to explain how the real world works, why Xu Xiaodong kicked butt, and why it's important to learn other fighting arts if want to be really good at your own.

 

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San Shou sparring is what's missing from many kung fu schools (for lots of different reasons, but in the case of Tai Chi mostly because of the lack of good teachers with combat experience).

And if you look at a lot of "Tai Chi San Shou" videos online you'll see what I mean.

This video illustrates decent form and Tai chi Quan principles. But the "San Shou" component is plain silly. This is for show, but it'll look pretty.


What you need is someone who trains to fight, and also learns Tai Chi, to explain how the real world works, why Xu Xiaodong kicked butt, and why it's important to learn other fighting arts if want to be really good at your own.


Here's the thing, Taijiquan in applications rarely looks like the posture, or rarely uses all elements of a posture. And for the record, there are blocks, strikes, elbows, kicks and knees in taijiquan.
 

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A: How do you use your boxing to end a fight?
B: I knock my opponent out.

A: How do you use your wrestling to end a fight?
C: I let my opponent's head to meet the ground.

A: How do you use your Taiji to end a fight?
D: I ...

What will be your respond if you are D?
I tickle them. Im famous for my tickling. Its in my footwork and timing. I have touted this ability before. Nobody listens to me, its like Im speaking Cantonese or something.
 

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The skill that you have developed through the push hand training may not be sufficient to deal with your opponent's fast "groing kick, face punch, right hook, left hook" combo.
Thats why I also train another style and apply the movement principles from one to another. In the end its just motion, practicing one doesnt preclude other motions.
 

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Here's the thing, Taijiquan in applications rarely looks like the posture, or rarely uses all elements of a posture. And for the record, there are blocks, strikes, elbows, kicks and knees in taijiquan.
Appearances can be..deceptive.

Tai Chi can kill people. The whole body is one weapon, moving uniform.
 
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