Trekkies blast new Star Trek film as "fun, watchable"
- Thread starter Gordon Nore
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As someone who has loved Star Trek since the first repeats (I'm not quite old enough to have seen it in the 60's, so the early 70's has to do 
) and who has all the series released on DVD on the library shelves ... I think I've just been insulted 
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) and who has all the series released on DVD on the library shelves ... I think I've just been insulted .
Well, I was going to spend my hard-earned tip money on this movie because I caught all the films in the theaters before and it WAS a tradition. But for a great action packed thrill ride that bears the holy name of Star Trek... sigh... I reckon I'll just sit at home and watch the dvds of the old original tv shows.
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celtic_crippler
Senior Master
LOL...gotta love the Onion.
I'm a Trekkie from way back...that's right...a TREKKIE and not a TREKKER... though there's not much about the Star Trek Universe I don't like (I even warmed to Voyager over time...lol)
I guarantee you I'll have seen the movie at least twice before the end of the weekend.
I'm a Trekkie from way back...that's right...a TREKKIE and not a TREKKER... though there's not much about the Star Trek Universe I don't like (I even warmed to Voyager over time...lol)
I guarantee you I'll have seen the movie at least twice before the end of the weekend.
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Gordon Nore
Senior Master
I'm a Trekkie from way back...that's right...a TREKKIE and not a TREKKER... though there's not much about the Star Trek Universe I don't like (I even warmed to Voyager over time...lol)
I guarantee you I'll have seen the movie at least twice before the end of the weekend.
I'm an old fan too. I watched TOS in its original run. Loved TNG. Hated DS9 and Voyager. I sort of like the ST movie where they save the whales -- didn't much care for the rest. I thought Enterprise was the best of the spin-offs.
And I'm a big fan of the fan series... http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/
Based on the Onion's review, I think I'm gonna love this movie.
What???
DS9 was by far the best of the series', and First Contact the best movie!!
Chris Parker
Grandmaster
Okay. Yep. Cool. Nearly my favourite "Onion" moment. Almost as good as the "Iron Man" one (fans in uproar over plans to extend the 90 second trailer into a full-length film, with additional scenes between those in the trailer!). Can't wait to see the film.
Oh please! DS9 was WAY too much "fi" and nowhere near enough "sci"!
After the chauvinistic influence of old Jean Rodenberry faded, there was no doubt that TNG was the best**statistically proven
On another note, I cannot believe there is not even a cameo by Patrick Stewart or Jonathan Frakes or anyone in this new movie... what is the deal with that? Are they not with the concept of movie handovers?? Doh
Yr most obdt hmble srvt,
Jenna
Chris Parker
Grandmaster
You mean "Gene", don't you Jenna? And I thought that Leonard Nimoy was back playing an old Spock, doesn't that count?
Gene; Jean; Charlie Sheen,ha! All the same to me Chris
I cannot stomach TOS or any of that dodgy 60s attitude, costume or misdirected paraphernalia... sorry... Having said that, I could never warm to Scott Bakula's Archer either. No offence meant or anything if that is your thing Yr most obdt hmble srvt,
Jenna
Chris Parker
Grandmaster
Yeah, Scott wasn't my favourite captain either, but, hey, I'm a guy. I could find other redeeming features of Enterprise... Trip had the coolest accent of any Trekster!
The only real problem with DS9 was that it took too much of it's 'inspiration' from Babylon 5 - indeed, I might be inventing 'history' here but I believe there was a lawsuit phrased in much stronger terms than that.
My missus would agree with you and tends to beat me with cushions and scornful looks when I snort "Stolen B5 storyline!" or somesuch when we're watching it :lol:.
Leaving DS9 aside, my favourite series is hard to pin down. I love some elements of TOS, even tho' some of the 60's attitudes don't sit well these days.
TNG was fabulous when I first saw it and parts still are but, as was predicted at the time, the extremely 'styled' look dates it (which is always ironic for sci-fi
).
Enterprise started out well and then drowned in 'short-cut' plot artifice - still love the first series tho' and the opening scene of a Klingon racing through corn-fields was a classic.
For me, I reckon Voyager was my favourite if I had to choose just one series. Oddly, it's the series I've not yet seen all of.
Of the movies, I reckon I agree with Gordon that, IV (the Voyage Home) was my favourite, even more than the iconic II (Wrath of Khan). All the others, except for the Search for God {} have their merits too, mind you. I just enjoy re-watching IV more.
My missus would agree with you and tends to beat me with cushions and scornful looks when I snort "Stolen B5 storyline!" or somesuch when we're watching it :lol:.
Leaving DS9 aside, my favourite series is hard to pin down. I love some elements of TOS, even tho' some of the 60's attitudes don't sit well these days.
TNG was fabulous when I first saw it and parts still are but, as was predicted at the time, the extremely 'styled' look dates it (which is always ironic for sci-fi
). Enterprise started out well and then drowned in 'short-cut' plot artifice - still love the first series tho' and the opening scene of a Klingon racing through corn-fields was a classic.
For me, I reckon Voyager was my favourite if I had to choose just one series. Oddly, it's the series I've not yet seen all of
.Of the movies, I reckon I agree with Gordon that, IV (the Voyage Home) was my favourite, even more than the iconic II (Wrath of Khan). All the others, except for the Search for God {
} have their merits too, mind you. I just enjoy re-watching IV more.
Omar B Yeah, I would agree with TNG for Picard, absolutely And but I saw DS9 as nothing more than a collection of well-drawn characters that just happened to be in a faraway part of the galaxy and in the future. I just like my sci-fi to have more "sci" than I saw in DS9. I believe that DS9 was the writers' attempts to ingratiate themselves to an audience that they believed were not as keen on the sci-fi idea as we generally accept it.
Hey Suke did you not find Babylon 5 much darker especially in the latter stages? For me it had a much more sinister feel to it than any Trek and thus was a more gripping watch, no? Also, I agree with you, Voyager was well put together and was imo, second only to TNG. I think Voyager would have taken it for me if it had not been for one thing: Kathryn Janeway. I could never warm to the machiavellian, imperialistic and downright arrogant attitude (in my humble opinion, that is ) Would you take me up on that point??
Yr most obdt hmble srvt,
Jenna
Yeah, I would agree with TNG for Picard, absolutely And but I saw DS9 as nothing more than a collection of well-drawn characters that just happened to be in a faraway part of the galaxy and in the future. I just like my sci-fi to have more "sci" than I saw in DS9. I believe that DS9 was the writers' attempts to ingratiate themselves to an audience that they believed were not as keen on the sci-fi idea as we generally accept it. Hey Suke
did you not find Babylon 5 much darker especially in the latter stages? For me it had a much more sinister feel to it than any Trek and thus was a more gripping watch, no? Also, I agree with you, Voyager was well put together and was imo, second only to TNG. I think Voyager would have taken it for me if it had not been for one thing: Kathryn Janeway. I could never warm to the machiavellian, imperialistic and downright arrogant attitude (in my humble opinion, that is ) Would you take me up on that point??Yr most obdt hmble srvt,
Jenna
Omar B
Senior Master
For me, TNG was always the thinking man's Trek. It was never going in guns blazing, it was Picard with diplomatic and philosophical wrangling of an issue. Many times I would watch half of an episode and think about what I would do, then continue to see how it played out. Also, Data I loved, tryign to be human without realizing he was probebly the most human of them all by the end.
DS9, I'll agree with you was very much like Babylon 5. I cold never get into Babylon 5 though because JMS was the creator and writer of the show and by then his work in comics had so screwed up Spider-Man that I could not support anything he did. Doc Oc and aunt May dateing? Everyone (in the family) knowing Peter was Spider Man?
DS9 for me had the parts of the ST universe I loved. TNG turned what was basically the Navy into a floating hotel in the sky. DS9 got back to the fact that though they are explorers and diplomats, they were at first an outgrowth of the navy and acted accordingly.
That's another reason I loved Enterprise. The ship looked like it fit in with current gun ships and nuclear subs. Cramped quarters, everything piled on everything, etc. It felt closer to what I think a space ship would be, every inch necessary, not wasted, the ship pared down the essnetials. My one complait with it is that they didnt go far enough, they should have taken some Clancy in fluence.
I've got no love for Voyager really. I'll watch it if it's on by I can't get past Kate's voice, oh is it annouying to me! 7 is hot though.
DS9, I'll agree with you was very much like Babylon 5. I cold never get into Babylon 5 though because JMS was the creator and writer of the show and by then his work in comics had so screwed up Spider-Man that I could not support anything he did. Doc Oc and aunt May dateing? Everyone (in the family) knowing Peter was Spider Man?
DS9 for me had the parts of the ST universe I loved. TNG turned what was basically the Navy into a floating hotel in the sky. DS9 got back to the fact that though they are explorers and diplomats, they were at first an outgrowth of the navy and acted accordingly.
That's another reason I loved Enterprise. The ship looked like it fit in with current gun ships and nuclear subs. Cramped quarters, everything piled on everything, etc. It felt closer to what I think a space ship would be, every inch necessary, not wasted, the ship pared down the essnetials. My one complait with it is that they didnt go far enough, they should have taken some Clancy in fluence.
I've got no love for Voyager really. I'll watch it if it's on by I can't get past Kate's voice, oh is it annouying to me! 7 is hot though.
I guess that things like the timbre of voices are very much going to be part and parcel of how we react to a series. The only time Janeway's voice got a little annoying for me was those times when the ship was 'shaking' and that translated through into a grating vibrato.
I can't agree with Jenna's appraisal of Captain Janeway's actions tho'. With the proviso that I haven't seen all the seasons, her decisions always seemed to me to be for the benefit of her ship and crew and she played the hand she was dealt. She was very much a Captain in the old mould, isolated from her 'country' and empowered to make any political or miltary choices she considered to be in the interests of her ship.
As ever, character judgements are in the eye of the beholder. Where one sees machievellian arrogance, I see projected confidence and skilled political negotiation (essential on any ships bridge).
I do concur with Jenna that B5 was a much 'darker' prospect than DS9 started out as. One of the things they 'borrowed' was an increasing grittyness as the seasons mounted. I didn't realise, until Omar noted it above, that JMS had been involved in the comics field as it's not something that interests me. All I can suggest is forget who 'helmed' the series and just watch it for what it is - without B5 we would have had none of the much improved storylines and story telling in sci-fi and fantasy, for it was that series that convinced unwilling corporate types that you could tell a story over seasons rather than over one episode.
I can't agree with Jenna's appraisal of Captain Janeway's actions tho'. With the proviso that I haven't seen all the seasons, her decisions always seemed to me to be for the benefit of her ship and crew and she played the hand she was dealt. She was very much a Captain in the old mould, isolated from her 'country' and empowered to make any political or miltary choices she considered to be in the interests of her ship.
As ever, character judgements are in the eye of the beholder. Where one sees machievellian arrogance, I see projected confidence and skilled political negotiation (essential on any ships bridge).
I do concur with Jenna that B5 was a much 'darker' prospect than DS9 started out as. One of the things they 'borrowed' was an increasing grittyness as the seasons mounted. I didn't realise, until Omar noted it above, that JMS had been involved in the comics field as it's not something that interests me. All I can suggest is forget who 'helmed' the series and just watch it for what it is - without B5 we would have had none of the much improved storylines and story telling in sci-fi and fantasy, for it was that series that convinced unwilling corporate types that you could tell a story over seasons rather than over one episode.
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