Need Help With Lesson Plans For TKD

Donovan Jakob

White Belt
Hey guys. I am a 3rd Degree Black belt in Taekwondo who was thrown into teaching at 1st degree with little to no feedback or mentorship so I've been winging a lot of classes. Some I am super proud of, but most are bland, useless, and a waste of my time, their time, and their money. I teach 2 classes; a kids class ages 7-13, and an "adult" class ages 13+. I would really appreciate some lesson plan Ideas as well as some (preferably free) resources on concepts I can teach and expand on. Another thing is we do a stripe system to mark how close someone is to testing. I'm not sure how many TKD schools do this but if your school does this what are they based on. At my old school we did one stripe for stances and blocks, the next was kicks and strikes, and the third was forms. This is hard for me to do when there are also time requirements for each belt where I kept giving stripes too early, so to fix this I've been waiting longer. However, I cannot remember when every student got their last stripe so now I have the opposite problem where I am waiting too long, this is also the result of me trying to focus more on having more beneficial classes and I forget to think about stripes. I think the time requirements are very important, even if the techniques are "perfect" based on their rank, because I believe each belt represents both skill level and experience level. Anyway, all that to say, If anyone else either uses or have other ideas for other standards for stripes that would also be appreciated.

Our school leans more traditional, especially as it relates to sparring. None of us like the sensors that tournaments use where if you hit too hard or not in the exact right place it doesn't count for anything. We haven't done a lot of practical self defense so I would also like some ideas on using TKD for self defense. Our school also has a Hapkido program so we get SOME practical self defense in that area but I'm curious what TKD has. We are also a WTF school with Kukkiwon as well as USKMAF, but, at least to my knowledge, we are not STRICTLY held to those standards. We do some block chambers in older styles, only changing what we find to be reasonable.

I'm sorry this is so long, if there is any other context or something I can explain better please let me know, any and all help is extremely appreciated. Thank you.
 
Welcome to MartialTalk, Donovan. Hope you enjoy it. 😊

Is there a senior rank to you in the school, or are you running it the whole thing?
 
In my experience, stripes are very school specific. They can mean whatever your school wants them to mean... and there can be as many as you find utility in.

I use 2 stripes at each belt for my kids classes (none for the teens and adults). 1 stripe for memorizing that belt's fundamental movements and the 2nd for memorizing that belt's pattern.

I have the same challenges with remember evaluate who is ready while focusing on teaching the best class I can... though the kids often will remind me when they feel they're ready.

Of course, this only works because I do not use set times for belt tests. When a student is ready they test, but not at a pre scheduled date.
 
Welcome to MartialTalk, Donovan. Hope you enjoy it. 😊

Is there a senior rank to you in the school, or are you running it the whole thing?
Hey, Buka! Thank you so much.

I do have a master instructor, however he has a day job as well as a vineyard to attend to and just recently (within the last couple of months) handed over the school to one of my old instructors who is actually a lower rank than me currently because he stepped away for a while as well. He did offer it to me first but I did not feel I was ready to take on that responsibility, partly because of this issue. My master instructor has a day job as well as a vineyard to attend to, so even before handing over the school he was gone a lot and left me to teach classes. I am pretty much the main instructor, I teach 3 days a week, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday, and someone else takes Monday and Wednesday. I teach both classes all three days.

Thank you for your reply. Hope this gives you the context you needed.
 
In my experience, stripes are very school specific. They can mean whatever your school wants them to mean... and there can be as many as you find utility in.

I use 2 stripes at each belt for my kids classes (none for the teens and adults). 1 stripe for memorizing that belt's fundamental movements and the 2nd for memorizing that belt's pattern.

I have the same challenges with remember evaluate who is ready while focusing on teaching the best class I can... though the kids often will remind me when they feel they're ready.

Of course, this only works because I do not use set times for belt tests. When a student is ready they test, but not at a pre scheduled date.
Yeah I figured they are pretty school specific... a lot of things seem school specific including how many belts and the order of belts. Its very confusing.

Right now we have ditched the way we used to do it at my old school, and are just using it sort of as a meter to let them and us know how close they are getting.

Thank you for that insight though, I may do something similar depending on what other ideas get shared here.
 
Hey guys. I am a 3rd Degree Black belt in Taekwondo who was thrown into teaching at 1st degree with little to no feedback or mentorship so I've been winging a lot of classes.
This is going to be a tough post. To be perfectly honest, it sounds like you've been put into a position that you're not yet ready for. It sounds like you're taking it seriously, and you want to do the best by your students, but it also sounds like you haven't been properly prepared to do that, and don't have the proper support system to perform this role right now.
Some I am super proud of, but most are bland, useless, and a waste of my time, their time, and their money.
There's nothing wrong with spending time working on basics. Sometimes it's about fun, sometimes about reps, sometimes about details, sometimes about strategy. My Cardio kickboxing coach would often do a routine on Mondays that is: 100 jabs right side, 100 jabs left side, 50 kicks right side, 50 kicks left side, 100 cross-hook combos right side, 100 cross-hook combos left side, 50 switch kicks right side, 50 switch kicks left side...and so on. These classes were bland, but far from useless, and far from a waste of time.

If you run a class where you just run through the curriculum, that's still a good class. It gets folks ready for testing. It allows them to get reps and feedback.

If I'm wrong about what you mean by bland and useless, please correct me. If you're getting people to learn and sweat, then you're doing a good job.
I teach 2 classes; a kids class ages 7-13, and an "adult" class ages 13+. I would really appreciate some lesson plan Ideas as well as some (preferably free) resources on concepts I can teach and expand on.
Our school leans more traditional, especially as it relates to sparring. None of us like the sensors that tournaments use where if you hit too hard or not in the exact right place it doesn't count for anything. We haven't done a lot of practical self defense so I would also like some ideas on using TKD for self defense. Our school also has a Hapkido program so we get SOME practical self defense in that area but I'm curious what TKD has. We are also a WTF school with Kukkiwon as well as USKMAF, but, at least to my knowledge, we are not STRICTLY held to those standards. We do some block chambers in older styles, only changing what we find to be reasonable.
I thought I should put these two parts together, because they're asking similar questions. You should teach what you've been trained in, and not just ideas from the internet. What concepts do you know that your students don't? What is in the curriculum at your level, and what do they struggle with in that curriculum? For example, if your curriculum has a combo with a spinning hook kick and folks struggle with that, then focus on drills that help with the spinning hook kick.

As for self-defense, KKW/WT don't really specify a required self-defense curriculum. You could do no self-defense and be fine. You could include everything from Hapkido and be fine. Or even include other ideas. For example, when I open my own school, whether or not I go with Kukkiwon, there will be a lot of groundfighting from my BJJ experience. If you know a lot of the Hapkido stuff, you can include it. If you don't know any self-defense, I wouldn't teach it until you learn it (and learn it from someone other than random advice on a martial arts forum).
Another thing is we do a stripe system to mark how close someone is to testing. I'm not sure how many TKD schools do this but if your school does this what are they based on. At my old school we did one stripe for stances and blocks, the next was kicks and strikes, and the third was forms. This is hard for me to do when there are also time requirements for each belt where I kept giving stripes too early, so to fix this I've been waiting longer. However, I cannot remember when every student got their last stripe so now I have the opposite problem where I am waiting too long, this is also the result of me trying to focus more on having more beneficial classes and I forget to think about stripes. I think the time requirements are very important, even if the techniques are "perfect" based on their rank, because I believe each belt represents both skill level and experience level.
Different schools do it different.
  • When I was a kid, we had tape stripes that we tested for, and then belts that we tested for. Typically the stripes were earned with Exercises (what we called mini-forms) and belts were earned with full Forms.
  • The school I attended as an adult did not have tape stripes. Some belts were striped, but they were mainly there to extend the duration of that belt.
  • The school I recently attended had tape stripes, which were earned for knowing different things, and each color meant something different. I don't remember exactly, but it was something like yellow = form, green = kick or sparring, red = self-defense, black = time-in-grade requirement met, etc. (I didn't like the way he did this, because if you got the yellow stripe, you didn't do your form anymore until testing day).
  • My BJJ school gives you a stripe primarily based on mat hours, but also on the Professor's opinion. He uses kicksite to keep track of how many mat hours people have. The application is programmed with the requirements for each belt. For example, last time I logged in, it said I was at 51/65 hours towards my next stripe. When I hit 65/65, he will start to assess me and see if I'm ready. Sometimes I get a stripe right away. I was at 150/65 for my first stripe on blue belt.
The BJJ one is actually the one I may recommend. If you keep attendance (especially electronically) you can more easily keep track of who is ready for a stripe.

Anyway, all that to say, If anyone else either uses or have other ideas for other standards for stripes that would also be appreciated.
This isn't your school, so you should really find out the standards from whoever is in charge. If you are in charge, then you should use a standard that's easy to manage.

Personally, I don't plan on doing stripes when I open my school. If I do, it will be only for a specific group of people: the toddler's beginner class. That class is likely to need more reinforcement, and to take longer to progress through the curriculum. Stripes are just a lot of overhead that I would rather spend on teaching.

If I were to do stripes, it would either be:
  • Partial completion of a form. For example, the first 5 steps of Taegeuk 1 = 1st stripe, the next 5 steps = 2nd stripe, and the rest of the form = 3rd stripe.
  • Stripes for traits and curriculum items. For example: 1st stripe for good attitude, 2nd stripe for the basic techniques, 3rd stripe for knowing the form.
 
This is going to be a tough post. To be perfectly honest, it sounds like you've been put into a position that you're not yet ready for. It sounds like you're taking it seriously, and you want to do the best by your students, but it also sounds like you haven't been properly prepared to do that, and don't have the proper support system to perform this role right now.

There's nothing wrong with spending time working on basics. Sometimes it's about fun, sometimes about reps, sometimes about details, sometimes about strategy. My Cardio kickboxing coach would often do a routine on Mondays that is: 100 jabs right side, 100 jabs left side, 50 kicks right side, 50 kicks left side, 100 cross-hook combos right side, 100 cross-hook combos left side, 50 switch kicks right side, 50 switch kicks left side...and so on. These classes were bland, but far from useless, and far from a waste of time.

If you run a class where you just run through the curriculum, that's still a good class. It gets folks ready for testing. It allows them to get reps and feedback.

If I'm wrong about what you mean by bland and useless, please correct me. If you're getting people to learn and sweat, then you're doing a good job.


I thought I should put these two parts together, because they're asking similar questions. You should teach what you've been trained in, and not just ideas from the internet. What concepts do you know that your students don't? What is in the curriculum at your level, and what do they struggle with in that curriculum? For example, if your curriculum has a combo with a spinning hook kick and folks struggle with that, then focus on drills that help with the spinning hook kick.

As for self-defense, KKW/WT don't really specify a required self-defense curriculum. You could do no self-defense and be fine. You could include everything from Hapkido and be fine. Or even include other ideas. For example, when I open my own school, whether or not I go with Kukkiwon, there will be a lot of groundfighting from my BJJ experience. If you know a lot of the Hapkido stuff, you can include it. If you don't know any self-defense, I wouldn't teach it until you learn it (and learn it from someone other than random advice on a martial arts forum).

Different schools do it different.
  • When I was a kid, we had tape stripes that we tested for, and then belts that we tested for. Typically the stripes were earned with Exercises (what we called mini-forms) and belts were earned with full Forms.
  • The school I attended as an adult did not have tape stripes. Some belts were striped, but they were mainly there to extend the duration of that belt.
  • The school I recently attended had tape stripes, which were earned for knowing different things, and each color meant something different. I don't remember exactly, but it was something like yellow = form, green = kick or sparring, red = self-defense, black = time-in-grade requirement met, etc. (I didn't like the way he did this, because if you got the yellow stripe, you didn't do your form anymore until testing day).
  • My BJJ school gives you a stripe primarily based on mat hours, but also on the Professor's opinion. He uses kicksite to keep track of how many mat hours people have. The application is programmed with the requirements for each belt. For example, last time I logged in, it said I was at 51/65 hours towards my next stripe. When I hit 65/65, he will start to assess me and see if I'm ready. Sometimes I get a stripe right away. I was at 150/65 for my first stripe on blue belt.
The BJJ one is actually the one I may recommend. If you keep attendance (especially electronically) you can more easily keep track of who is ready for a stripe.


This isn't your school, so you should really find out the standards from whoever is in charge. If you are in charge, then you should use a standard that's easy to manage.

Personally, I don't plan on doing stripes when I open my school. If I do, it will be only for a specific group of people: the toddler's beginner class. That class is likely to need more reinforcement, and to take longer to progress through the curriculum. Stripes are just a lot of overhead that I would rather spend on teaching.

If I were to do stripes, it would either be:
  • Partial completion of a form. For example, the first 5 steps of Taegeuk 1 = 1st stripe, the next 5 steps = 2nd stripe, and the rest of the form = 3rd stripe.
  • Stripes for traits and curriculum items. For example: 1st stripe for good attitude, 2nd stripe for the basic techniques, 3rd stripe for knowing the form.
I love how detailed this reply is, all of this is very valuable information. I really appreciate the time and effort you put into it.

To be perfectly honest, it sounds like you've been put into a position that you're not yet ready for. It sounds like you're taking it seriously, and you want to do the best by your students, but it also sounds like you haven't been properly prepared to do that, and don't have the proper support system to perform this role right now.
You are pretty spot on.

If I'm wrong about what you mean by bland and useless, please correct me. If you're getting people to learn and sweat, then you're doing a good job.
You are correct in how you interpreted "bland and useless" at the time I wrote it. However, in reading my original post back, I don't think that it is entirely accurate. Especially after your "conditional encouragement" if that makes sense. There are definitely a few classes where I don't think I've actually taught anything nor did enough in class to sweat. The kids class is easier to come up with things to do, though I still face the same challenges I have mentioned before from time to time, It's the adult class that I have issues with the most. In this class I have people with injuries, a person who is old, and people who I'm not sure if their "excuse" is valid or if they are just being flat out lazy. I try to stay encouraging and uplifting as possible but sometimes they just either don't listen or they actually physically can't do what I am telling them to do, which is ok, being physically unable I mean, I just don't know how to navigate that either. Thankfully, the ones who are injured are advanced enough belts to be able to figure out what works for them and how to modify the drill into something they can do, but there are times where they still look to me for guidance and often times I don't know how to help them. The other issue in the adult class is that most of them are around my age, and with that being the case as well being someone who doesn't want to "rule with an iron fist," It's hard to be a leader when I am a peer to most of them.

I was not expecting this to be a whole other paragraph of issues. All that being said however, there have been a lot of classes, especially that last few weeks and including today, where it was both very educational and a good work out. That trend usually dies down though and I go back into a rut of having the same class, basically, over and over again. I guess maybe "bland" isn't the correct word in hindsight, maybe "boring" because of how repetitive the class are.

it usually goes something like this:
1. Stretch
2. Warm up
3. Deeper stretches
4. Forms
5. Kicking drills on free standing bags (that may or may not use the same 2 or 3 kicks) (This is also where the injured and old struggle)
6. More Forms (If there is time left)
7. Cool down stretches (if there is an extra 5 minutes to "waste")
8. Bow out of class

The general feedback that I get from both classes is that it gets too repetitive. Although reading this part of the reply has given me some relief that maybe its not as bad as I thought it was. I am also an overthinker and can be pretty self-critical especially when other people are not only involved but directly affected by what I am doing.

I thought I should put these two parts together, because they're asking similar questions. You should teach what you've been trained in, and not just ideas from the internet. What concepts do you know that your students don't? What is in the curriculum at your level, and what do they struggle with in that curriculum? For example, if your curriculum has a combo with a spinning hook kick and folks struggle with that, then focus on drills that help with the spinning hook kick.
Up to this point this is what I have been trying to do, and they are the ones that I am proud of when I reflect back on it. I can come up with some things on my own, however it is usually built off of something I have seen or done before. Not always, but usually. I try to remember drills we did at my old school and I don't remember most of them because even at first degree I never thought would nor did I want to be a teacher, now that I am here I can appreciate it, however at the time it wasn't something I even considered, and because of that I was not really paying attention to the drills we were doing. For this reason, I was doing research to try and expand my own knowledge for myself to still learn new things, as well as learning new things to teach. A lot of the advanced belts (in the adult class) have always had a lot more knowledge than their rank would suggest throughout their journey because they looked for things online. They would jump ahead in forms, sometimes for competitions, and sometimes because they just got bored of their form and wanted to learn a new one before they got to that level. So in order to keep teaching them new things I would look up other drills, different kicks, and combo kicks that I would break down and teach. At his point I don't know what they don't know. I also don't know how many more variations of the same things I can come up with on my own. Hence why I am reaching out for help. Not necessarily for exact lesson plans, but for some things for me to play with and build off of.

As for self-defense, KKW/WT don't really specify a required self-defense curriculum. You could do no self-defense and be fine. You could include everything from Hapkido and be fine. Or even include other ideas. For example, when I open my own school, whether or not I go with Kukkiwon, there will be a lot of groundfighting from my BJJ experience. If you know a lot of the Hapkido stuff, you can include it. If you don't know any self-defense, I wouldn't teach it until you learn it (and learn it from someone other than random advice on a martial arts forum).
Introducing some Hapkido has crossed my mind, but what I want to do is to learn how to specifically use TKD for self defense, then later if they want to join Hapkido they can learn Hapkido there. I know in TKD there are open hand strikes specifically to be able to grab easier, but I also here a lot of "TKD can't be used for self defense," and if that is true fine, but I also see a lot people saying how it is actually useful. Obviously it would be better to have more than just one practice for self defense, learning how to box and grapple are very useful and probably more useful than kicking is, but the practical tools that TKD has to offer is something I am interested even though it isn't required.
The BJJ one is actually the one I may recommend. If you keep attendance (especially electronically) you can more easily keep track of who is ready for a stripe.
I have considered something similar to that, but it was asking if the person who owns the school now (one of my old instructors, I explained this further in post #4) If they are able to see when everyone got their belt and send or share the document with me and then, somehow, from there, track around when each student should be ready for a stripe. But counting classes might be better. Thank you for this, I will bring it up as an Idea to the other instructor and the owner.

This isn't your school, so you should really find out the standards from whoever is in charge. If you are in charge, then you should use a standard that's easy to manage.
My master instructor, who used to own the school, didn't really have a set standard. As the instructors we have a lot of freedom in what and how we do things so really, I could do it however I want and no one would be upset unless they see something with the student that makes them think the stripe is unwarranted. However under new management, I would like to have a standard we are all on the same page with. The instructors now have a bigger say in how we want the school to be ran so long as it doesn't stray away from what it stands for. So I will probably review this as well as any other ideas that come through, get my thoughts together on it, and then bring the idea(s) up to them and see if its something we all want to standardize.

Thank you again, skribs, for this well thought out and, I'm sure, time consuming response. You've given me a lot to think about and I'm sure I could probably add a lot more to this already lengthy reply back, and there are probably some areas where I didn't put my thoughts into words very well. But in any case, I do really appreciate this a lot.
 
Donovan sounds like a good guy and whatever shortcomings he has as an instructor are likely due to the school's master and whatever teaching environment he created. It seems you've been shortchanged, Donovan. I feel for you. That said:
This is going to be a tough post

A student is a reflection of his teacher. When I started teaching it was easy - I just taught the way my instructor taught me. As a 3rd degree, you must have been training for at least 6 years (I'd hope more) so should have been exposed to a lot of teaching. Did you not absorb how pass on MA knowledge? How to expect and encourage each student to do their best? As a 3rd degree you should have by now developed those certain qualities that people join TMA for, and which contribute to being a strong and effective teacher. If you're the senior guy, step up. The school needs you.
1. Stretch
2. Warm up
3. Deeper stretches
4. Forms
5. Kicking drills on free standing bags (that may or may not use the same 2 or 3 kicks) (This is also where the injured and old struggle)
6. More Forms (If there is time left)
7. Cool down stretches (if there is an extra 5 minutes to "waste")
8. Bow out of class
This is how class goes at your school? Where are the hand techniques, the combos, strengthening exercises, the pairing off and working techniques against others, much less sparring? Are there any self-defense drills? I feel like I'm missing something. The class definitely is. "Bland" seems like an understatement to me. Are the students buying what that school is selling? I'm not meaning to be sarcastic and am, from my perspective, being generous in my judgements here, not wanting to offend you or our beloved moderators (they're pretty good).

Donovan, I suggest you pop into some other schools regardless of style and see how others structure their classes. With fresh ideas and a vision of what a TMA school should be like, you can create an environment that really benefits the students and makes a difference in their lives.
 
I have developed "Requirement sheets" First day student gets first sheet and after each test gets the new one. These sheets could be used to keep track of a students stripe progress as well as when they are ready for testing. If you PM Me your e-mail I can send them to you. Requirements will be different but you find the format useful.
 
…I guess maybe "bland" isn't the correct word in hindsight, maybe "boring" because of how repetitive the class are.

it usually goes something like this:
1. Stretch
2. Warm up
3. Deeper stretches
4. Forms
5. Kicking drills on free standing bags (that may or may not use the same 2 or 3 kicks) (This is also where the injured and old struggle)
6. More Forms (If there is time left)
7. Cool down stretches (if there is an extra 5 minutes to "waste")
8. Bow out of class

The general feedback that I get from both classes is that it gets too repetitive. Although reading this part of the reply has given me some relief that maybe its not as bad as I thought it was.
I’m not a TKD guy, but wanted to comment on this.

One obstacle faced by martial arts teachers today is dealing with a student-body that was raised on too much internet and video games and instant gratification and distractions, who never developed the skills to concentrate on something for more than a few minutes at a time. Everyone has a short attention span. These people will always struggle to train and develop in a martial method, where skills take time to grow and repetition is key.

Children require more “entertainment” in their learning, so that comes with the territory. But adults need to be able to find motivation within themselves for their own training, and not expect to be entertained at every class. Yes, it is important to mix variety so people don’t simply get bored. However, a lot of martial training involves repetition over and over and there really isn’t another alternative. The problem with many adults is that they were also those kids who grew up with too many distractions and now can’t focus and have a chronically short attention span. They are simply older now with the same habits.

The key is being able to help people understand the skills they are working to build, and understand how the drills and exercises you are having them engage in will help them develop those skills. That can alleviate some of the boredom that can come with repetition, but requires an ability to convey a deeper understanding of what is going on. At the end of the day, you cannot be the single source of their motivation to train, and repetition is a big part of martial training. That cannot be escaped. If adults cannot motivate themselves, teaching them is an uphill battle.
 
This is getting pretty long (which is a good thing), so I'm breaking up the thread as I reply (for the sake of my sanity).
There are definitely a few classes where I don't think I've actually taught anything nor did enough in class to sweat. The kids class is easier to come up with things to do, though I still face the same challenges I have mentioned before from time to time, It's the adult class that I have issues with the most. In this class I have people with injuries, a person who is old, and people who I'm not sure if their "excuse" is valid or if they are just being flat out lazy. I try to stay encouraging and uplifting as possible but sometimes they just either don't listen or they actually physically can't do what I am telling them to do, which is ok, being physically unable I mean, I just don't know how to navigate that either.
Thankfully, the ones who are injured are advanced enough belts to be able to figure out what works for them and how to modify the drill into something they can do, but there are times where they still look to me for guidance and often times I don't know how to help them. The other issue in the adult class is that most of them are around my age, and with that being the case as well being someone who doesn't want to "rule with an iron fist," It's hard to be a leader when I am a peer to most of them.
It's very easy in TKD to fall into the trap that everyone should be equal based on their belt color. Young kids, older kids, teenagers, adults, and seniors all have different challenges they are facing physically, mentally, and emotionally that play into how they train and what they need from training. Each individual within that group will have other challenges. It is your responsibility as the instructor to modify the drills for your students if they are unable to do them, not your students responsibility.
I was not expecting this to be a whole other paragraph of issues. All that being said however, there have been a lot of classes, especially that last few weeks and including today, where it was both very educational and a good work out. That trend usually dies down though and I go back into a rut of having the same class, basically, over and over again. I guess maybe "bland" isn't the correct word in hindsight, maybe "boring" because of how repetitive the class are.

it usually goes something like this:
1. Stretch
2. Warm up
3. Deeper stretches
4. Forms
5. Kicking drills on free standing bags (that may or may not use the same 2 or 3 kicks) (This is also where the injured and old struggle)
6. More Forms (If there is time left)
7. Cool down stretches (if there is an extra 5 minutes to "waste")
8. Bow out of class

The general feedback that I get from both classes is that it gets too repetitive. Although reading this part of the reply has given me some relief that maybe its not as bad as I thought it was. I am also an overthinker and can be pretty self-critical especially when other people are not only involved but directly affected by what I am doing.
Who are you getting this feedback from? Is it from problem students, or from the core group? I'll share you a story I recently had in my cardio kickboxing class. Which is funny, because both feedback are from the same guy.

I had been using my coach's method one day per week. 100 of each punch combo each side, 50 of each kick combo each side. One student told me, "This is boring, I'm too advanced for this, nobody here wants to do this, I want to learn combos, I'm not getting anything out of this."

I tried to explain that even I train this way and I've been doing martial arts for almost two decades now, but he didn't want to listen. I went to the core group of students and asked them if I should keep doing this drill or come up with something new next week, and they all were happy with it. (I didn't just ask if they were happy with it, I asked if they wanted to do it again). I asked my coach what he would've done in the situation, and his answer was, "As long as the core group is happy, #*@! everyone else. You're not going to please everyone."

The same guy, a week or two later, told me that he really didn't like those because he prefers combos that mix punches and kicks. He has a bunch of boxing experience, so he feels very confident in his punches, so he can let it rip on the bag. His legs are injured and he doesn't have the experience with kicks, so he takes his time.

I thought about it, and I realized that there were a lot of people with an injury that really slows down one or the other. One woman had a shoulder injury, another man had a knee injury, one kid had a hand injury. So based on this feedback (instead of the previous whining), I have stopped doing that type of class.

As for you and your situation, I have a couple of tips that might help:
  • Don't spend more than 5-7 minutes on any one thing. People can only focus for so long. Do 5-7 minutes of kicks, then a couple forms, then 5-7 minutes of some other drill, and so on.
  • Start and end with something energetic, and have something energetic between everything focused. Stretches and forms are typically more focused, kicks are typically more energetic. But this could also be mobility drills or something like that.
  • Write down a couple different ideas for some sort of drill or mini-game that you can use before or after forms. Something that's not really going to show up on testing, and is more about making people move in different ways and making them sweat. Bring 3 post-it notes with you to class, so you have something to remind you what you're going to do.
 
Up to this point this is what I have been trying to do, and they are the ones that I am proud of when I reflect back on it. I can come up with some things on my own, however it is usually built off of something I have seen or done before. Not always, but usually. I try to remember drills we did at my old school and I don't remember most of them because even at first degree I never thought would nor did I want to be a teacher, now that I am here I can appreciate it, however at the time it wasn't something I even considered, and because of that I was not really paying attention to the drills we were doing. For this reason, I was doing research to try and expand my own knowledge for myself to still learn new things, as well as learning new things to teach. A lot of the advanced belts (in the adult class) have always had a lot more knowledge than their rank would suggest throughout their journey because they looked for things online. They would jump ahead in forms, sometimes for competitions, and sometimes because they just got bored of their form and wanted to learn a new one before they got to that level. So in order to keep teaching them new things I would look up other drills, different kicks, and combo kicks that I would break down and teach. At his point I don't know what they don't know. I also don't know how many more variations of the same things I can come up with on my own. Hence why I am reaching out for help. Not necessarily for exact lesson plans, but for some things for me to play with and build off of.
If they're capable of coming up with their own ideas, I'd help guide them through that, and focus on creating ideas for the ones who are less creative.
Introducing some Hapkido has crossed my mind, but what I want to do is to learn how to specifically use TKD for self defense, then later if they want to join Hapkido they can learn Hapkido there. I know in TKD there are open hand strikes specifically to be able to grab easier, but I also here a lot of "TKD can't be used for self defense," and if that is true fine, but I also see a lot people saying how it is actually useful. Obviously it would be better to have more than just one practice for self defense, learning how to box and grapple are very useful and probably more useful than kicking is, but the practical tools that TKD has to offer is something I am interested even though it isn't required.
TKD is an eclectic art in that the forms, sparring, and self-defense tend to have relatively little to do with each other. In every TKD school I've trained in, there is a self-defense portion of class that has barely anything to do with the kicking or forms (any kicks in the self-defense are usually a coincidence).

With the forms, you have a number of blocks and strikes. You can put those together. For example, you have the knife-hand blocks and knife-hand strikes in Taegeuk 3, those typically go together pretty well in punch defense. Same with palm blocks and elbow strikes. Typical TKD self-defense is that beginners will do punch defenses that are simple block & counter-attack, intermediates will use combinations and maybe grab to pull into a strike, and advanced will turn it into an armlock used for a take-down.

In my main school, the only difference between the adult TKD hand grabs and the HKD hand grabs was the level of detail we went into. In TKD we would do bigger motions instead of detailed smaller motions, and we would end techniques with a punch instead of a break. I also plan to do something like this with my implementation of BJJ into my TKD curriculum, in that the level of detail I plan to teach (before black belt) is equivalent to the tots BJJ class. If I'm going to average 5-10 minutes per week on grappling instead of 3-5 hours per week, then I'm going to focus on the core elements instead of the details.

If you use the Taegeuks, you may want to look into a book called The Taegeuk Cipher, which offers a self-defense curriculum based on the Taegeuk forms.
I have considered something similar to that, but it was asking if the person who owns the school now (one of my old instructors, I explained this further in post #4) If they are able to see when everyone got their belt and send or share the document with me and then, somehow, from there, track around when each student should be ready for a stripe. But counting classes might be better. Thank you for this, I will bring it up as an Idea to the other instructor and the owner.
I wouldn't count on getting anything from him. I would look into creating your own document or subscribing to a martial arts school management system. There are a few good ones out there, but my TKD Master and my BJJ Professor both use kicksite.

It's funny, because I was getting notifications from both schools from the same phone number (and the schools are 1700 miles apart).
 
My master instructor, who used to own the school, didn't really have a set standard. As the instructors we have a lot of freedom in what and how we do things so really, I could do it however I want and no one would be upset unless they see something with the student that makes them think the stripe is unwarranted. However under new management, I would like to have a standard we are all on the same page with. The instructors now have a bigger say in how we want the school to be ran so long as it doesn't stray away from what it stands for. So I will probably review this as well as any other ideas that come through, get my thoughts together on it, and then bring the idea(s) up to them and see if its something we all want to standardize.
Can you tell me the following information?
  1. Your school's belt order (including belts with multiple colors, such as a blue belt with a red stripe down the middle).
  2. How that belt order is arranged (i.e. my old school had white and yellow as beginners; purple and orange as intermediate; solid green and 1-stripe green, solid blue, 1-stripe blue, and 2-stripe blue, solid red, 1-stripe red, and 2-stripe red as advanced).
  3. How many stripes per belt (and does it change at higher belts).
  4. The timing between stripes.
  5. The timing between belts.
 
Where are the hand techniques, the combos, strengthening exercises, the pairing off and working techniques against others, much less sparring?
For the most part, I don't see too much of an issue. Many TKD schools don't do hand techniques outside of what's in the forms, and instead work a lot on kicks, and it can be a lot of bagwork for the kicks. Combos are usually in the kicks.

Strengthening exercises can be done in class or outside of class. Some students want to get in a workout, but others have the mentality of "I can do that at the gym". This is one of those things that I think it's inclusion or exclusion from the curriculum is fine, depending on the instructor's style and the student's wishes, and it's not in good faith to discredit a class in either direction.

Schools I have been in often have sparring only on certain days, and that incudes TKD, Muay Thai, and MMA.
 
I have developed "Requirement sheets" First day student gets first sheet and after each test gets the new one. These sheets could be used to keep track of a students stripe progress as well as when they are ready for testing. If you PM Me your e-mail I can send them to you. Requirements will be different but you find the format useful.
I've heard of a similar system from someone my Dad worked with. Instructors needed to initial each requirement in order for students to be allowed to test. Maybe Donovan could give stripes after a certain number of initials, and then allow to test upon completion of the entire form?

Or have the sheet broken into sections per stripe.
 
In my experience, stripes are very school specific. They can mean whatever your school wants them to mean... and there can be as many as you find utility in.

I use 2 stripes at each belt for my kids classes (none for the teens and adults). 1 stripe for memorizing that belt's fundamental movements and the 2nd for memorizing that belt's pattern.

I have the same challenges with remember evaluate who is ready while focusing on teaching the best class I can... though the kids often will remind me when they feel they're ready.

Of course, this only works because I do not use set times for belt tests. When a student is ready they test, but not at a pre scheduled date.
I like you system if you have say, 30+ kids.
But otherwise I find them unnecessary.
I do scratch my head at a 3rd who is unsure what to teach unless they are young.
 
Hey guys. I am a 3rd Degree Black belt in Taekwondo who was thrown into teaching at 1st degree with little to no feedback or mentorship so I've been winging a lot of classes. Some I am super proud of, but most are bland, useless, and a waste of my time, their time, and their money. I teach 2 classes; a kids class ages 7-13, and an "adult" class ages 13+. I would really appreciate some lesson plan Ideas as well as some (preferably free) resources on concepts I can teach and expand on. Another thing is we do a stripe system to mark how close someone is to testing. I'm not sure how many TKD schools do this but if your school does this what are they based on. At my old school we did one stripe for stances and blocks, the next was kicks and strikes, and the third was forms. This is hard for me to do when there are also time requirements for each belt where I kept giving stripes too early, so to fix this I've been waiting longer. However, I cannot remember when every student got their last stripe so now I have the opposite problem where I am waiting too long, this is also the result of me trying to focus more on having more beneficial classes and I forget to think about stripes. I think the time requirements are very important, even if the techniques are "perfect" based on their rank, because I believe each belt represents both skill level and experience level. Anyway, all that to say, If anyone else either uses or have other ideas for other standards for stripes that would also be appreciated.

Our school leans more traditional, especially as it relates to sparring. None of us like the sensors that tournaments use where if you hit too hard or not in the exact right place it doesn't count for anything. We haven't done a lot of practical self defense so I would also like some ideas on using TKD for self defense. Our school also has a Hapkido program so we get SOME practical self defense in that area but I'm curious what TKD has. We are also a WTF school with Kukkiwon as well as USKMAF, but, at least to my knowledge, we are not STRICTLY held to those standards. We do some block chambers in older styles, only changing what we find to be reasonable.

I'm sorry this is so long, if there is any other context or something I can explain better please let me know, any and all help is extremely appreciated. Thank you.
Hmm,
Set down and Write down everything you have learned up to 3rd Dan. Then organize it into meaningful blocks (by belts or otherwise). Keep it basic at the lower levels and add as people get higher in rank and age. RECOGNIZE exceptional people and PUSH them in a constructive way. This cannot be overstated and should NEVER be overlooked.
Your goal is to make every student better than you. This means continued training for you and extre knowledge for exceptional people. This mMUST be in your tool bag. If that means extra classes or external training for you, so be it.
Most importantly, if you truly have exceptional athletes, don’t hold them back. Learn how/where/when to get them into training for the next level. Nothing is more priceless than photos with students with gold medals at AAU/WT events.
 
I do scratch my head at a 3rd who is unsure what to teach unless they are young.
A lot of TKD schools are run by Masters that are great teachers but horrible mentors. They teach everyone the same way, regardless of whether that person is a white belt or a 3rd degree black belt. In those schools, there is never a transition point between teaching and mentoring. Never a point where you stop learning from a rote curriculum and start learning more about application.

My Master is that way. Everything I've done to prepare for my 4th degree test (both when I was attending his school, and now that I'm back in town to test) has been rote curriculum items. Sparring is the only testing item where I will have any creativity. Classes are primarily about the curriculum. In fact, when I was teaching, I was encouraged to focus more on the curriculum and less on being creative, because he wanted me teaching his stuff in his school.

I plan to go a much different route. But I could see how someone who got to 3rd degree by following directions would be unprepared to take a leadership role, when they've never been taught how to lead.
 
Donovan sounds like a good guy and whatever shortcomings he has as an instructor are likely due to the school's master and whatever teaching environment he created. It seems you've been shortchanged, Donovan. I feel for you. That said:
Thank you for the kind words at the beginning of this reply. I am trying to take as much of the responsibility as I can, hence why I am reaching out to other martial artists from other schools. I wish I had more mentorship in the beginning of my journey but I didn't, I've managed pretty decently but I would like to do better than just "manage."

A student is a reflection of his teacher. When I started teaching it was easy - I just taught the way my instructor taught me. As a 3rd degree, you must have been training for at least 6 years (I'd hope more) so should have been exposed to a lot of teaching. Did you not absorb how pass on MA knowledge? How to expect and encourage each student to do their best? As a 3rd degree you should have by now developed those certain qualities that people join TMA for, and which contribute to being a strong and effective teacher. If you're the senior guy, step up. The school needs you.
I have been doing tkd for 14 years at this point, which makes everything even less excusable, I know. I am not trying to make anything sounds excusable either, I know its inexcusable and I am trying to reach out for help. I have not absorbed how to pass on MA knowledge because at the time I was thrown into teaching, I did not want to be a teacher and I never thought I would be, so it was never something I paid attention to. Now that I am here, I have grown to enjoy it and I want to take it seriously. I have taken it seriously for a while, but I have not received much guidance as a teacher so I was left to figure out the majority of it on my own. Knowing what to expect from each student, and how to encourage them, are things I have learned how to do on my own. I feel like I am pretty good at this, at least with the kids class. The adult class, however, I don't know how to go about helping the ones who are injured or old that make some things physically impossible, or extremely painful, to do. I do not have experience with either one of these, nor have I seen my old instructors in this situation to learn how they would navigate this. I feel the weight of my rank and how much I do not actually know that I feel I should know at this level. I am, in fact, the senior rank at my school, and reaching out to other, more experienced, martial artists and learning from them is one of the ways I am trying to "step up."

This is how class goes at your school? Where are the hand techniques, the combos, strengthening exercises, the pairing off and working techniques against others, much less sparring? Are there any self-defense drills? I feel like I'm missing something. The class definitely is. "Bland" seems like an understatement to me. Are the students buying what that school is selling? I'm not meaning to be sarcastic and am, from my perspective, being generous in my judgements here, not wanting to offend you or our beloved moderators (they're pretty good).
This is my "defaut" lesson plan if I have nothing specific to teach that day. After reading a different reply to this post, I have felt better, not good, but better about this. It is getting reps in and getting your body moving, which is healthy. I am still aware however, that doing this for every single class is not exactly beneficial to students who want to learn. Our school, nor did my old school, put a lot of time into hand techniques. We did lots of blocks, stances, and striking techniques that are found in the forms going up and down the room sometimes, but hand strikes were never something we practiced on their own. We did do punches, and emphasized which two knuckles you should be using to punch, as well as how and why you rotate your hips for both the jab and the cross. But even that was like 1 class we did a long a time ago. This is a class I have taught recently, but again we focus a lot more on kicks than hand strikes. Another thing our school, nor my old school, did was practical self defense. Which is why as a part of my original post I wanted some tips about this, as well as some resources to help me learn and teach this. Our school also isn't a "business" as most schools are. Meaning, none of us are trying to make a living off it. The monthly cost of classes are just enough to pay for the building itself. This being said however, I don't want this "cheap class" to have "cheap classes." I want to provide more value than what they are paying for. I appreciate you holding back on your judgement here, I am really trying to be better and all of your input is valuable information.

Something I forgot to include in the brick of text above as well as the original post is that we do spar every Friday. Another thing I forgot to mention in my reply to this part of your post is that when we do kicks on the standing bags that is when we practice combos. We do occasionally partner off and practice sparring drills, and we don't do enough strengthening exercises as we should. This is part of the issue where I don't remember a lot of the drills we used to do, and I have come up with quite a few on my own, however, without being taught anything new myself, and haven't for a while. its hard for me to teach new things. I've got a lot of things I am still learning how to do and when to do as a teacher.
Donovan, I suggest you pop into some other schools regardless of style and see how others structure their classes. With fresh ideas and a vision of what a TMA school should be like, you can create an environment that really benefits the students and makes a difference in their lives.
Thank you for this suggestion, I will do this.
 
I have developed "Requirement sheets" First day student gets first sheet and after each test gets the new one. These sheets could be used to keep track of a students stripe progress as well as when they are ready for testing. If you PM Me your e-mail I can send them to you. Requirements will be different but you find the format useful.
I have sent you a PM. I really appreciate this and that is a great idea.
 

Latest Discussions

Back
Top