More from the "Religion of Peace"

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From the "No, You Read it Wrong File".
One of the 10 commandments loosely says " thou shall not worship craven idols". This little gem was used by politically motivated players of the Protestant Reformation as an excuse to attack the Catholics as they left church and bash their heads in. Men, women, children. They had a statue of the Virgin Mary that they would light candles and pray to. Thus they were worshiping a craven image and were therefor heathens and God would want them to be punished..... right It's in the bible! Of course to the founder of the movement, if you look at why he split from the Catholic church in the first place, this was abhorrent. But hell, who looks at the ideology any more.
The interpretation was done by Men, each with their own agenda, and taught by men, each with their own agenda. I'm sure they can twist the words, stories, parables and meanings to suit their needs as they please. Just like every other religion does.

Lori
:idunno: I... I thought... I thought that was my point? Did I miss something?

I could kiss Carol right now (on the cheek) but am worried about getting a :btg: ... the enemy IS indeed ignorance.
 
but islam encourages ignorance, and in many cases, enforces it.

Christianity (at least some major streams of it) doesn't?

Have you heard of a magical place called the Creationism Museum? Or noticed that a large percentage of the population completely rejects well established science when the bible tells them otherwise?
 
you know, they do call it the THEORY of evolution for a reason

there is almost as much hard scientific data for creationism as there is for evolution

which is to say, not much

now to my mind, evolutiona dn creationism dont conflict
 
andrew, your entire contribution to this thread has been one "they do it too" post after another

SO FRIGGIN WHAT

even if other people do it to, we are not talking about ALL, we are talkign about ONE

bringing other groups into it is just deflection

or

a symptom of a lack of courage to call Islamic acts what they are.




Christianity (at least some major streams of it) doesn't?

Have you heard of a magical place called the Creationism Museum? Or noticed that a large percentage of the population completely rejects well established science when the bible tells them otherwise?
 
Twin Fist, you obviously do not understand what a scientist means by the word "theory". Until you do you are simply embarassing yourself and wasting everyone else's time with your statements. They betray a profound ignorance of science not to mention the specific areas you are talking about.
 
ad hom, ad hom, ad hom, blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda yadda

you just said nothing Tellner. About par for the course.

the food chain is as follows:
idea
hypothesis
theory
fact

hypothesis has some evidence, but not much

theory cant be proven, but there is a large body of evidence

Evolution cant be proven. To go from theory to fact, something has to be able to be seen, observed, measured, duplicated

because of the amount of time evolution takes, you cant really observe it.

all you really get by your observations is snapshots.

but snapshots do not make a movie, no matter how many of them you get.

Free advice for you tellner,
you will get better results if you SHOW how someone is wrong rather than just tell them they are wrong, without proving it and blathering on with various pathetic insults. That might work if y9ou had ANY cedibility,but you dont. Any. At all.

More free advice, dont bother with me, if you told me what TIME it was i would check it twice.
 
MA, I was just trying to rephrase your very well made point and tying it to Andrew's point about Western based religions . It is the individual(s) that are responsible for their actions not an ideology. My bad, sorry. :wah: Other stuff on my mind, I didn't make myself clear.
lori
 
are the people alone responsible when the belief system expressly alows and in fact encourages that bad behavior?
 
Is a crusade in order?

Peace be upon you,
crushing


What do you think we have been doing in Iraq?:samurai::idunno:

I know it sounds barbaric, but why ahve we not pulled out and shot off a few nukes? It would keep American lives in tact and fixes the problem en mass.
 
Wow. The food fight continues. Twin, you in a hurry to join Big Don in exile or you want to calm down a bit? You get wound up sometimes bro, I think you're gonna pop. That would be messy, expecially if you have a cheepy keyboard.

Anyways, more foder for the fire here. Shiny happy Xianism and Judism on how you should kill people for god, because they somehow are different, deserve it, or have offended the local big wigs, and thereby the invisible man in the clouds.

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Pillage and Plunder
For the land of Israel lies empty and broken after your attacks, but the LORD will restore its honor and power again. Shields flash red in the sunlight! The attack begins! See their scarlet uniforms! Watch as their glittering chariots move into position, with a forest of spears waving above them. The chariots race recklessly along the streets and through the squares, swift as lightning, flickering like torches. The king shouts to his officers; they stumble in their haste, rushing to the walls to set up their defenses. But too late! The river gates are open! The enemy has entered! The palace is about to collapse! Nineveh's exile has been decreed, and all the servant girls mourn its capture. Listen to them moan like doves; watch them beat their breasts in sorrow. Nineveh is like a leaking water reservoir! The people are slipping away. "Stop, stop!" someone shouts, but the people just keep on running. Loot the silver! Plunder the gold! There seems no end to Nineveh's many treasures – its vast, uncounted wealth. Soon the city is an empty shambles, stripped of its wealth. Hearts melt in horror, and knees shake. The people stand aghast, their faces pale and trembling. (Nahum 2:2-10 NLT)


Murder and Slavery
The tribe of Benjamin, however, failed to drive out the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem. So to this day the Jebusites live in Jerusalem among the people of Benjamin. The descendants of Joseph attacked the town of Bethel, and the LORD was with them. They sent spies to Bethel (formerly known as Luz), who confronted a man coming out of the city. They said to him, "Show us a way into the city, and we will have mercy on you." So he showed them a way in, and they killed everyone in the city except for this man and his family. Later the man moved to the land of the Hittites, where he built a city. He named the city Luz, and it is known by that name to this day. The tribe of Manasseh failed to drive out the people living in Beth-shan, Taanach, Dor, Ibleam, Megiddo, and their surrounding villages, because the Canaanites were determined to stay in that region.

When the Israelites grew stronger, they forced the Canaanites to work as slaves, but they never did drive them out of the land. The tribe of Ephraim also failed to drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer, and so the Canaanites continued to live there among them. The tribe of Zebulun also failed to drive out the Canaanites living in Kitron and Nahalol, who continued to live among them. But they forced them to work as slaves. The tribe of Asher also failed to drive out the residents of Acco, Sidon, Ahlab, Aczib, Helbah, Aphik, and Rehob. In fact, because they did not drive them out, the Canaanites dominated the land where the people of Asher lived. The tribe of Naphtali also failed to drive out the residents of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath. Instead, the Canaanites dominated the land where they lived. Nevertheless, the people of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath were sometimes forced to work as slaves for the people of Naphtali. As for the tribe of Dan, the Amorites forced them into the hill country and would not let them come down into the plains. The Amorites were determined to stay in Mount Heres, Aijalon, and Shaalbim, but when the descendants of Joseph became stronger, they forced the Amorites to work as slaves. (Judges 1:21-35 NLT)

Ten Thousand Murdered at God's Command
After Joshua died, the Israelites asked the LORD, "Which tribe should attack the Canaanites first?" The LORD answered, "Judah, for I have given them victory over the land." The leaders of Judah said to their relatives from the tribe of Simeon, "Join with us to fight against the Canaanites living in the territory allotted to us. Then we will help you conquer your territory." So the men of Simeon went with Judah. When the men of Judah attacked, the LORD gave them victory over the Canaanites and Perizzites, and they killed ten thousand enemy warriors at the town of Bezek. While at Bezek they encountered King Adoni-bezek and fought against him, and the Canaanites and Perizzites were defeated. Adoni-bezek escaped, but the Israelites soon captured him and cut off his thumbs and big toes. Adoni-bezek said, "I once had seventy kings with thumbs and big toes cut off, eating scraps from under my table. Now God has paid me back for what I did to them." They took him to Jerusalem, and he died there. The men of Judah attacked Jerusalem and captured it, killing all its people and setting the city on fire. (Judges 1:1-8 NLT)

Kill All of Babylon
"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

I've seen enough so called "Christians" on this very site claim "God" wants certain groups dead. God need to get of his *** and do the job himself, rather than letting inbreds and asshats do it. Or, is "God" too weak to do it himselff without one of us being his "sword"? If so, I sure aint scared of him. He can strike me dead right now if he's, oh wait, I felt a twinge, no, just a little gas from the bratwurt I had for dinner. So, I guess I'll be waiting a while.

I recall this little think called the "Inquisition". Lots of Jews killed there by the Christian Church, for God, don't ya know. Oh wait, something a little more recent eh?

ok, hows these?

Sept 2004 - Swaggart said: "I'm trying to find the correct name for it ... this utter absolute, asinine, idiotic stupidity of men marrying men. ... I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died."

The remarks were met with applause from his congregation.


Oct 2008 - Extreme Christian runs on “Kill Gays” platform
David Popescu reasserted his view. “A young man asked me what I think of homosexual marriages and I said I think homosexuals should be executed,” he said. “My whole reason for running is the Bible and the Bible couldn’t be more clear on that point.”

But, don't worry. You can relax with a nice positive video game, where you get to kill all those nasty non-Christians and "Praise Jesus" while doing it. Whee! This is a truly loving faith, not at all like thos nasty hate mongering moslams.

Left Behind: Eternal Forces is a real-time strategy game whose creators have ties to Rick Warren, author of The Purpose Driven Life. The game as described by Jonathan Hutson of Talk2Action:
"Imagine: you are a foot soldier in a paramilitary group whose purpose is to remake America as a Christian theocracy, and establish its worldly vision of the dominion of Christ over all aspects of life. You are issued high-tech military weaponry, and instructed to engage the infidel on the streets of New York City. You are on a mission - both a religious mission and a military mission -- to convert or kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream Christians. Your mission is 'to conduct physical and spiritual warfare'; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice. You have never felt so powerful, so driven by a purpose: you are 13 years old. You are playing a real-time strategy video game whose creators are linked to the empire of mega-church pastor Rick Warren, best selling author of The Purpose Driven Life."​
The game also features characters exclaiming "Praise the Lord" as they exterminate people. Sweet Jesus.

Hey! that name sounds familiar. Where have I heard Rick Warren before?
Oh yeah, he's with Obama. Maybe we can do another Holy War and make all the peaceful Christians happy once we exterminate all those evil Mosllams who want only to kill us in our sleep. You know, when they aren't busy with other evil things like eating, drinking, sleeping, pooping, reading books, riding trains, and punching a time clock at the magic carpet dealership.

Sometimes I read **** here and I really onder where some peoples heads are, then I remember this picture and I understand.

Now please excuse me, I have to stock up on ammo and porn before the JesusJunkies come for me.
 
are the people alone responsible when the belief system expressly alows and in fact encourages that bad behavior?

That's one helluva question.

Babe, don't get yourself in trouble with the mods. I'll be too lonely without you. ;)
 
Well TW, yes I do. I used the Reformation for a very specific reason. Do you know anything about the ideology or theology of Luther's split with the Catholics? Luther himself, not the garbage that was added later by the self serving gentry. We can leave all that twisted crap out of this.
lori
 
the food chain is as follows:
idea
hypothesis
theory
fact

hypothesis has some evidence, but not much

theory cant be proven, but there is a large body of evidence

Evolution cant be proven. To go from theory to fact, something has to be able to be seen, observed, measured, duplicated

Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

A theory is an explanation to fit an established set of facts. Gravity is a fact, I think we can all agree. Yet, the explanation for that phenomenon is the "Theory of Gravity." Similarly, evolution is a fact. It has been observed and quantified in a multitude of settings. The explanation for those observations, the postulated reasons how and why those facts came about and work, is the "Theory of Evolution." The fact that theory is in the title doesn't make evolution shaky or untrue anymore than gravity is shaky or untrue.

Other "just a theory" phenomena that absolutely no one questions:
Cell Theory
Germ Theory of Disease
General Theory of Relativity
Theory of Plate Tectonics

Leave the science to the scientists.
 
And on the 95 post they rested. You guys are killing my faith, but wait, it is by faith that we believe. Believe in what? If all there is, is this life, what a sad commentary. The basic fundamentals of Christianity are love and repent, sounds like a winner to me. Faith is believing in things we cant see, this word faith takes a lot of people out of the picture. It must have something to do with the road is narrow thing.
 
I may be off topic, but some of the post have done the same. I think it was the God bashing that comes to mind. J
 
The definition of the word "theory," and how it is applied varies from field to field-since we're not talking mathematics, philosophy or law here, though, the National Academy of Sciences defines "scientific theory" thusly:

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than "just a theory." It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact.

Thus, when the Apollo astronauts dropped a hammer and a feather on the moon at the same time, and they landed at the same time, they further "proved" the "theory of gravity" in that they had removed an element from the situation (atmospheric drag) for experimentation and received a result that followed predictions and supported the theory based on the known facts.More complicated experiments have been done for the theory of relativity.The same sort of thing has been done with evolution-there are experiments with bacteria, DNA and insects that provide experimental support for the theory of evolution. No such experiment has been conceived for "creationism." Doesn't make it wrong or right, merely, until such time as an experiment that can prove or disprove it is conceived, not a theory.It's a fair postulate, which is a better word for a ""scientific guess," but it's not a theory. Doesn't mean that they conflict, or that they don't-just that one is a genuine theory supported by experimentation, observation and results, and the other is an educated guess that has none of these things to support it.

Same, incidentally, kind of goes for "global warming." While the facts that support it have been observed, we can hardly alter any aspect of them experimentally to prove or disprove it. It is, for now, a pretty good postulate, the only experiments we can do are models and simulations, from which we can make observations and predictions, and the only proof we will have is when the climate matches those models, and predictions come true, or the climate doesn't match those models, and the predictions don't come true.

Back on topic, though:

. The basic fundamentals of Christianity are love and repent, sounds like a winner to me.

The bedrock message of the Koran is not to kill the infidels, but an insistence that it is wrong to build up a private fortune, and good to share your wealth fairly. On the Last Day the one question God asks of Muslims is whether they have looked after orphans, widows and the oppressed, and if they have not, they cannot enter Paradise.
 
The definition of the word "theory," and how it is applied varies from field to field-since we're not talking mathematics, philosophy or law here, though, the National Academy of Sciences defines "scientific theory" thusly:



Thus, when the Apollo astronauts dropped a hammer and a feather on the moon at the same time, and they landed at the same time, they further "proved" the "theory of gravity" in that they had removed an element from the situation (atmospheric drag) for experimentation and received a result that followed predictions and supported the theory based on the known facts.More complicated experiments have been done for the theory of relativity.The same sort of thing has been done with evolution-there are experiments with bacteria, DNA and insects that provide experimental support for the theory of evolution. No such experiment has been conceived for "creationism." Doesn't make it wrong or right, merely, until such time as an experiment that can prove or disprove it is conceived, not a theory.It's a fair postulate, which is a better word for a ""scientific guess," but it's not a theory. Doesn't mean that they conflict, or that they don't-just that one is a genuine theory supported by experimentation, observation and results, and the other is an educated guess that has none of these things to support it.

Same, incidentally, kind of goes for "global warming." While the facts that support it have been observed, we can hardly alter any aspect of them experimentally to prove or disprove it. It is, for now, a pretty good postulate, the only experiments we can do are models and simulations, from which we can make observations and predictions, and the only proof we will have is when the climate matches those models, and predictions come true, or the climate doesn't match those models, and the predictions don't come true.

Back on topic, though:



The bedrock message of the Koran is not to kill the infidels, but an insistence that it is wrong to build up a private fortune, and good to share your wealth fairly. On the Last Day the one question God asks of Muslims is whether they have looked after orphans, widows and the oppressed, and if they have not, they cannot enter Paradise.

Maybe, just maybe then, there are many narrow roads leading to God. The secrete, sounds like we need to be on one of them.
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The bedrock message of the Koran is not to kill the infidels, but an insistence that it is wrong to build up a private fortune, and good to share your wealth fairly. On the Last Day the one question God asks of Muslims is whether they have looked after orphans, widows and the oppressed, and if they have not, they cannot enter Paradise.
:lfao:

That's certainly ONE version of the question that will be asked.....many in the Islamic world disagree.
 
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