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I have been doing research on master wong's w/c style. He won't say his lineage, but his movements are the same as the Pan Nam lineage movements. And yes, I am a student of his.
 

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i asked before on his channel and the comment was "deleted". if you are his student, then why not just ask him?
 

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Most Wing Chun guys are proud to say who their Sifu was.
The ones who aren't probably have something to hide.

Or they have a "problem" with their Sifu. For many years, my sifu was Leung Ting. As I no longer study under him or pay him any royalties, I can no longer claim association with him and don't mention his name to my students. I also train with another former student of LT's, a highly skilled man who is actually legally prohibited from using LT's name, so if the subject comes up simply I simply refer to LT as "my old sifu" unless they specifically ask his name. Then I make it clear that I am no longer his to-dai. Of course, whatever else may have happened over the years, I will always respect his skill and the training he gave me. But that is in the past. And just as well considering some of the things attributed to him in more recent years.

Ironically, LT himself wouldn't say the name of his first instructor, Leung Sheung, since the two of them had a nasty feud, and also because LT wanted to emphasize his later training under GM Ip Man, claiming GM Ip as his Si-fu rather than his Si-Gung. Whatever. Politics in the MA are a pretty strange thing.
 

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Or they have a "problem" with their Sifu. For many years, my sifu was Leung Ting. As I no longer study under him or pay him any royalties, I can no longer claim association with him and don't mention his name to my students. I also train with another former student of LT's, a highly skilled man who is actually legally prohibited from using LT's name, so if the subject comes up simply I simply refer to LT as "my old sifu" unless they specifically ask his name. Then I make it clear that I am no longer his to-dai. Of course, whatever else may have happened over the years, I will always respect his skill and the training he gave me. But that is in the past. And just as well considering some of the things attributed to him in more recent years.

Ironically, LT himself wouldn't say the name of his first instructor, Leung Sheung, since the two of them had a nasty feud, and also because LT wanted to emphasize his later training under GM Ip Man, claiming GM Ip as his Si-fu rather than his Si-Gung. Whatever. Politics in the MA are a pretty strange thing.

Just send him a cheque for five bucks every time you mention his name , that'll shut him up.
But even if you don't say who your Sifu was , someone will still know that you trained under LT , or with enough digging they can find out.

But some of these other characters no one seems to know anything about who taught them.
 

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While I don't know much about WC lineage, some simple questions. Do you like how/what he teaches? Does he know more about WC than you? Can you verify that what he is teaching is legitimate and correct WC? If you can answer all these questions and like every (not just some, but EVERY) answer, than I honestly wouldn't worry about it. If you can't, then you have a problem.

EDIT: is the cost of the school disproportional to his level of skill and the enjoyment/usefulness of your classes? If yes, than you have a different problem. Not entirely related, but felt like I should add it.
 

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Or they have a "problem" with their Sifu. For many years, my sifu was Leung Ting. As I no longer study under him or pay him any royalties, I can no longer claim association with him and don't mention his name to my students. I also train with another former student of LT's, a highly skilled man who is actually legally prohibited from using LT's name, so if the subject comes up simply I simply refer to LT as "my old sifu" unless they specifically ask his name. Then I make it clear that I am no longer his to-dai. Of course, whatever else may have happened over the years, I will always respect his skill and the training he gave me. But that is in the past. And just as well considering some of the things attributed to him in more recent years.

Ironically, LT himself wouldn't say the name of his first instructor, Leung Sheung, since the two of them had a nasty feud, and also because LT wanted to emphasize his later training under GM Ip Man, claiming GM Ip as his Si-fu rather than his Si-Gung. Whatever. Politics in the MA are a pretty strange thing.
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I had heard but do not know or care-that one of Leung Sheung's students- a relative of LT was his first sifu. There is the story of Leung Sheung ripping off the first arm band(white?) worn by LT at IM's funeral-the band was to be worn by IM's direct students.LT has produced lots of good fghters.
 
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While I don't know much about WC lineage, some simple questions. Do you like how/what he teaches? Does he know more about WC than you? Can you verify that what he is teaching is legitimate and correct WC? If you can answer all these questions and like every (not just some, but EVERY) answer, than I honestly wouldn't worry about it. If you can't, then you have a problem.

EDIT: is the cost of the school disproportional to his level of skill and the enjoyment/usefulness of your classes? If yes, than you have a different problem. Not entirely related, but felt like I should add it.

I agree with you, the reason I started this thread was to make known, that you study the movements and forms, not the lineage.
 

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While I don't know much about WC lineage, some simple questions. Do you like how/what he teaches? Does he know more about WC than you? Can you verify that what he is teaching is legitimate and correct WC? If you can answer all these questions and like every (not just some, but EVERY) answer, than I honestly wouldn't worry about it. If you can't, then you have a problem.

EDIT: is the cost of the school disproportional to his level of skill and the enjoyment/usefulness of your classes? If yes, than you have a different problem. Not entirely related, but felt like I should add it.

And this is where the rubber hits the road for me.
 

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Just for the laughs... thanks Master Wong
 
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I agree with you, the reason I started this thread was to make known, that you study the movements and forms, not the lineage.

Then do you know his lineage as a student?

If an instructor choices not to be public with their lineage, then that's their choice, but if they keep that information from their own students then to me that raises a red flag.
 
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Then do you know his lineage as a student?

If an instructor choices not to be public with their lineage, then that's their choice, but if they keep that information from their own students then to me that raises a red flag.
No, only he knows his lineage, as stated before he want tell anyone his lineage, that is his right. I for one like his style, his teachings and he is funny to watch. But, by the way he does his movements, like sil lim tao, chum kiu and biu jee, he is of the Pan Nam lineage. Which, I believe is a more truer form of the Foshan Wing Chun, than the Ip Man lineage, beacause Pan Nam if from Foshan, and Ip Man even though he is from Foshan, he ended up teaching in Hong Kong.
 

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Why aren't his videos flagged for mature audiences? The guy is pretty freely dropping f-bombs throughout the videos.

Also, is he speaking English with a chinese-british accent? Just curious about that. I like listening to Renzo Gracie speak English, because he speaks with a bit of his Brazilian accent crossed with some New York. It's a cool mix.
 
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Master Wong's answer to the question

"Who is master Wong's master"
http://masterwongacademy.com/ask-question/academy-faq.html

If I told you I would have to kill you! To the serious point what does it matter? Would it affect your training? Is knowing whom I train from going to make any difference to your training? Surely there are more important things to concentrate on then whom I socialise with? e.g your training.

I will not use my Master's name to promote myself. Should I become successful I know it's not because I have been name droping to get where I am.
 

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No, only he knows his lineage, as stated before he want tell anyone his lineage, that is his right. I for one like his style, his teachings and he is funny to watch.

You're correct, that is his right, and yes he's very funny to watch. He reminds me of a guy I knew that owns a Chinese Restaurant in Massachusetts, he's from Taiwan but spent a lot of time in Boston's Chinatown. He cusses *a lot* and in a Chinese/Boston accent.

But, by the way he does his movements, like sil lim tao, chum kiu and biu jee, he is of the Pan Nam lineage.

If lineage doesn't matter then why are you hypothesizing where it might of come from?

Which, I believe is a more truer form of the Foshan Wing Chun, than the Ip Man lineage, beacause Pan Nam if from Foshan, and Ip Man even though he is from Foshan, he ended up teaching in Hong Kong.

This is totally hypocritical to what you were saying before. If the names of who taught who make little difference, then shouldn't the location of where one learned and taught be held in the same regard? Also, using a term like 'truer form' is the type of loaded BS that starts mind numbing lineage arguments.
 

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"I will not use my Master's name to promote myself."

Actually that's the correct attitude to have. You should not always live under your teacher's shadow. What your teacher could do doesn't mean that's what you can do. On the other hand, you didn't just crawl out of a hole and became master yourself oneday.
 
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