Is BJJ a TMA?

There is always a lucky punch. There will be no lucky take down.

A 20 years old boxer can knock down a 70 years old boxer. A 20 years old white belt Judo guy will never be able to take down a 70 years old Judo master (not sure about 80 years old or 90 years Judo master).
There is a good chance for a 20 or 30-year-old boxer to take out a 20 or 30-year-old karateka. But I will put money on a 70-year-old karateka taking down a 70-year-old boxer. Somethings get better with age. I'm sure I'd be the top dog at the retirement home and have my choice of women, though I won't remember what to do with them.
 
I'm not much into BJJ and don't have much contact with those that do. I thought I'd see more in this thread of how BJJ people see their art. Do they see it as a TMA or its own category? and do they see it as a style of judo, or a unique style of its own? How do non-bjj people see it? And the reasons they hold that opinion.
In my experience, they think of it as a sport, similar to wrestling, Judo, boxing, Muay Thai, or MMA.
 
Similar developments happened in Europe(and US?) in early 1900’s or even little earlier, an early form of Judo(Yoshin-ruy) had been introduced and the first Jujutsu pioneers of Europe came about, often had they backgrounds in boxing and fencing and with that an Europeanized Jujutsu began to crystallize.

As there is BJJ one could say that there’s also English JJ, French, German and so on, there’s even Swedish JJ. The Swedish jujutsu pioneer Viking Cronholm introduced the art in Sweden in the very early 1900 and it quickly became a thing and eventually evolved with Swedish social norms , today its quite unlike any traditional Japanese JJ but in Sweden it’s still recognized as a Budo, kind of as a Gendai Budo.
 
I remember reading the stories about how a style of Praying Mantis Kung Fu was developed by some old master who learned from the way a Mantis responded when he poked at it with a straw. I was disappointed when I tried the same thing with a Praying Mantis I found outside my apartment and it didn't even try to block or engage with the straw in any way.
Once I jumped into a taxi here in China I jumped out as quickly, there was a huge praying mantis sitting on top of the front seat , first time I ever saw such a creature live.
 
I'm not much into BJJ and don't have much contact with those that do. I thought I'd see more in this thread of how BJJ people see their art. Do they see it as a TMA or its own category? and do they see it as a style of judo, or a unique style of its own? How do non-bjj people see it? And the reasons they hold that opinion.
I'm not deeply involved in BJJ myself. Done a bit here and there, but it's definitely not my bag. Like you, I want to make it clear that I'm not doubting its effectiveness. I just don't actually enjoy doing it. And I don't see the likelihood of my ever getting into a proper fight (on the ground or otherwise) as being high enough to warrant spending years on a thing I don't enjoy.

That said, I have spent a fair amount of time around BJJ exponents, and my general sense is that they definitely don't view it as TMA in the sense that term is generally used. Though, like Tony, I have my own reservations about the usefulness of the term. To me, TMA just connotes those styles with which the West first became familiar. Taekwondo is often regarded as TMA, for instance, despite being younger and no more replete with ritual and tradition than muay thai, for instance.

My feeling is that BJJ is generally regarded as its own thing. But I think this tendency to group things generally comes from a perceived need to associate them. And BJJ often does precisely what it sets out to do. It's like when people say that boxing is a martial art (as I do). People who go into boxing often don't say that because they don't feel a need to. They're boxers engaged in the practice of boxing. It doesn't need to be more than that. Martial artists sometimes make that argument, though, because we want that association with sparring, conditioning, and other desirable attributes of boxing. (To be clear, I don't think that's all performative. Borrowing from the training methodology of boxing to improve your martial arts is entirely valid.)

The BJJ practitioners I've called "friend" haven't even been in the habit of saying they practice "martial arts." They tend to say "I do jiujitsu." And that's an end to it (excepting those who train in MMA of course). BJJ has some of the trappings of a TMA, certainly. Belts, gi, etc. But even those aren't a given, when you consider the prevalence of no-gi training now. Then you think about the importance of competition in BJJ, which is far more optional in many TMAs.

They're all just labels at the end of the day, not all that reliable for conveying anything real about someone's practice. I certainly wouldn't be able to confidently characterise my own background in those terms. So it generally comes down to what a person or organisation WANTS to be associated with, ultimately.
 
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Or does BJJ emphasizes only on softness as Taiji does?
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Yeah. We have played with this before.

My definition of TMA is ritual. Bowing uniforms belts. That kind of thing.
I teach CMA mixed with some basic western boxing and dirty boxing. I don’t have belts or uniforms or bowing or breaking or rank of any kind. Honest question, am I a TMA? I add anything useful I see because I am not beholden to anyone or any organization.
 
BJJ is very much principle based. There isn't an official list with a specific number of those principles, but off the top of my head some of the most important ones are:

  • Control the distance. (If your opponent is striking, you want to be either too far or too close to hit.) If you are in a position of control, you want to close space. If you are being controlled, you want to create space.)
  • Position before submission (Possibly the most important principle in all of BJJ.)
  • Use structure rather than muscle. Use big muscle groups rather than small muscle groups. Stay as relaxed as possible.
  • Break your opponent's structure before attempting throws, sweeps, or submissions
  • Isolate limbs before attempting to break them
  • Use frames to maintain distance. When attacking frames, change the angle to turn them into levers.
  • Always strive for superior leverage rather than matching strength with strength.
  • Keep your own body aligned so that you can generate power from your whole body as a unit. Try to break your opponent's alignment so that they can't do the same.
  • Whether standing or on the ground, you should have a base which allows you to transfer your opponents force through to the ground
  • Create dilemmas for your opponent where defending one threat opens them up for another one
  • Use your connection to the opponent to feel and control their movements
  • Where the head goes, the body follows
  • Movement and power originate in the hips
  • Use strikes to set up grappling moves and vice versa (This is generally neglected in pure sport grappling BJJ, but it is still a part of combative BJJ)
These are all pretty broad principles. I could come up with more granular aspects.

I tell my students that there are just too many techniques with too many variations and too many details to learn and memorize them all. I teach techniques as situation expressions of the overarching principles. I tell my students that the more they understand the concepts that make the techniques work and the "why" behind each detail, the easier time they will have remembering them, making contextual adjustments as necessary, or even inventing new techniques on the spot.
This describes very much the same set of principles I teach for Wing Woo Gar.
 
Should have gotten into porn when I had the body for it.
Nah, I know a couple of them, they are miserable. Drug use is rampant, abuses are common. A friend of mine got into stripping for private parties when he was 18, I did it a couple times but it wasn’t for me. I’ve known a few sex workers, my dad was a pimp among other things so I am somewhat familiar with hookers, ahem! (sex workers).
 

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