"classic" martial art vs "modern" martial arts

[Gyakuto114 123]

A bare knuckle boxing pikey? Who knew?

Yes, he breaks all stereotypes

I loved the movie “snatch”.

I’ve never seen the film but do enjoy a bit of snatch…on occasion.

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 11]

You do. We don’t.

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 11]

Yes, he breaks all stereotypes

I’ve never seen the film but do enjoy a bit of snatch…on occasion.

Watch the movie.

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 11]

You do. We don’t.

It’s not my thread yo.

 

[Old CJ]

How would you define differences between "classic" and "modern" marital arts?

Thinking about it, everything starts modern in a way as a reaction of certain threats using available means to defend against them - the own body or maybe weapons or everyday tools that become weapons trained to use them in an efficient way.

Some things always remain important and have to be learned to fight successfully. Like moving the own body, making steps, keeping balance... Everything necessary to be able to strike before been hit. Keeping and taking care for the critical distance, overcome it in a way again to strike before been hit.

Is it the adopting to the kind of threat that is changing (like there are more knives in the streets or more willingness to use them nowadays then years ago) that turns something classic into modern?

What is it for you that makes the difference between "classic" and"modern" marital art? It's there a difference? Are they one again in the end? Do they just morph into each other and back again?

Would love to hear about your thoughts.
Thank you in advance!

It all depends on what the TV tells you what is what.

 

[Prince_Alarming114 144]

But who would win in a fight between Musashi and Chuck Norris?

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 11]

But who would win in a fight between Musashi and Chuck Norris?

Come on man. Chuck has better things to do than time travel.

 

[Prince_Alarming114 144]

But you agree he's certainly capable of it?

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 11]

But you agree he's certainly capable of it?

A foregone conclusion. Certainly, I cannot imagine something he is not capable of.

 

[isshinryuronin4 4]

A foregone conclusion. Certainly, I cannot imagine something he is not capable of.

How about acting?

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 11]

How about acting?

Touche’! I would bow before you forehead to floor for this. Absolutely magnificent. My most sincere compliments.

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 11]

How about acting?

Kryptonite, as it were.

 

[_Simon_114 145]

Come on man. Chuck has better things to do than time travel.

Chuck doesn't time travel. Time travels around Chuck.

 

[Hyoho]

As was mentioned in thread - “bokken is just a stick” . Musashi using “just a stick” might have been just what he wanted his opponents to think and being over confident with their real sword, much as a stick swinger may be over confident against a barehander …

and also about musashi he made sure opponent was taken by surprise(him jumping down from on them from hiding up in trees) or annoying/ enraging opponents by arriving to duels much later than agreed on (part of strategy to unstable opponent)

Who on earth told you that? Hiding up trees? It's an "In your face" school using "sen" and only sen. The ability to wait and use the attack of an opponent against him when he has fully committed, with no chance of withdrawal. Fractional but physically and mentally committed. His "stick" weighs well over 3 lbs. I have held it many times.

 

[Haruhiko]

Who on earth told you that? Hiding up trees? It's an "In your face" school using "sen" and only sen. The ability to wait and use the attack of an opponent against him when he has fully committed, with no chance of withdrawal. Fractional but physically and mentally committed. His "stick" weighs well over 3 lbs. I have held it many times.

I have been so looking forward to your reply. I knew you'd have something to say!

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 11]

Who on earth told you that? Hiding up trees? It's an "In your face" school using "sen" and only sen. The ability to wait and use the attack of an opponent against him when he has fully committed, with no chance of withdrawal. Fractional but physically and mentally committed. His "stick" weighs well over 3 lbs. I have held it many times.

Is that his actual stick? Wow!

 

[Haruhiko]

Is that his actual stick? Wow!

Indeed it is.

實相圓満之木刀 Jisso Enman no Bokuto – Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu

The Jisso Enman no Bokuto which belonged to Miyamoto Musashi sensei. It is a national treasure and artifact which is now safely stored at the Usa Jingu in Oita, Kyushu, Japan. The Jisso Enman no Bokuto is passed down in succession through Musashi’s school – Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu 兵法二天一流, today now under the guidance of Kajiya Takanori Kougen, 12th Soke.

Disclaimer: when translating from old Japanese to modern Japanese to English, meanings can be lost or have multiple meanings to consider. Please keep this in mind. On the Omote it is inscribed 実相円満之兵法 (Jissou enman no Hyoho) which is related to the last words of Musashi sensei’s saying 天仰実相円満之兵法逝去不絶. (Ten o aoguni Jisso enman no Hyoho seikyo ***** taezu) ‘Look up to the sky. Even if I die, my truly perfect Hyoho will never die’.

On the ura it is inscribed a poem which says
寒流帯月澄如鏡 (kanryu tsukiobite sumerukoto
kagamino gotoshi). – ‘In the flow of the cold and clear river. The moon is reflected. It seems to be a mirror.

This talks about what one should have in their heart/mind/spirit when fighting. To have a normal, calm state of mind 平常心 (Heijoshin). So when in the fight, having that feeling of the moon: beautiful clarity, all the time.

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 11]

Indeed it is.

實相圓満之木刀 Jisso Enman no Bokuto – Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu

The Jisso Enman no Bokuto which belonged to Miyamoto Musashi sensei. It is a national treasure and artifact which is now safely stored at the Usa Jingu in Oita, Kyushu, Japan. The Jisso Enman no Bokuto is passed down in succession through Musashi’s school – Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu 兵法二天一流, today now under the guidance of Kajiya Takanori Kougen, 12th Soke.

Disclaimer: when translating from old Japanese to modern Japanese to English, meanings can be lost or have multiple meanings to consider. Please keep this in mind. On the Omote it is inscribed 実相円満之兵法 (Jissou enman no Hyoho) which is related to the last words of Musashi sensei’s saying 天仰実相円満之兵法逝去不絶. (Ten o aoguni Jisso enman no Hyoho seikyo ***** taezu) ‘Look up to the sky. Even if I die, my truly perfect Hyoho will never die’.

On the ura it is inscribed a poem which says
寒流帯月澄如鏡 (kanryu tsukiobite sumerukoto
kagamino gotoshi). – ‘In the flow of the cold and clear river. The moon is reflected. It seems to be a mirror.

This talks about what one should have in their heart/mind/spirit when fighting. To have a normal, calm state of mind 平常心 (Heijoshin). So when in the fight, having that feeling of the moon: beautiful clarity, all the time.

Thank you for that. I know a riddle that this made me remember… Round she is, yet flat as a board. Altar of the lupine lords. Jewel on black velvet, pearl in the sea. Unchanged yet ever changing eternally. What is she? The answer is obviously the moon.

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 11]

Indeed it is.

實相圓満之木刀 Jisso Enman no Bokuto – Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu

The Jisso Enman no Bokuto which belonged to Miyamoto Musashi sensei. It is a national treasure and artifact which is now safely stored at the Usa Jingu in Oita, Kyushu, Japan. The Jisso Enman no Bokuto is passed down in succession through Musashi’s school – Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu 兵法二天一流, today now under the guidance of Kajiya Takanori Kougen, 12th Soke.

Disclaimer: when translating from old Japanese to modern Japanese to English, meanings can be lost or have multiple meanings to consider. Please keep this in mind. On the Omote it is inscribed 実相円満之兵法 (Jissou enman no Hyoho) which is related to the last words of Musashi sensei’s saying 天仰実相円満之兵法逝去不絶. (Ten o aoguni Jisso enman no Hyoho seikyo ***** taezu) ‘Look up to the sky. Even if I die, my truly perfect Hyoho will never die’.

On the ura it is inscribed a poem which says
寒流帯月澄如鏡 (kanryu tsukiobite sumerukoto
kagamino gotoshi). – ‘In the flow of the cold and clear river. The moon is reflected. It seems to be a mirror.

This talks about what one should have in their heart/mind/spirit when fighting. To have a normal, calm state of mind 平常心 (Heijoshin). So when in the fight, having that feeling of the moon: beautiful clarity, all the time.

Speaking of Japanese translations, I have this mantra to Marishiten translated from Sanskrit to phonetic Japanese tattooed next to her image. I hired a professional Japanese translator and calligraphic artist to create the art from which we created the tattoo.

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 11]

Indeed it is.

實相圓満之木刀 Jisso Enman no Bokuto – Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu

The Jisso Enman no Bokuto which belonged to Miyamoto Musashi sensei. It is a national treasure and artifact which is now safely stored at the Usa Jingu in Oita, Kyushu, Japan. The Jisso Enman no Bokuto is passed down in succession through Musashi’s school – Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu 兵法二天一流, today now under the guidance of Kajiya Takanori Kougen, 12th Soke.

Disclaimer: when translating from old Japanese to modern Japanese to English, meanings can be lost or have multiple meanings to consider. Please keep this in mind. On the Omote it is inscribed 実相円満之兵法 (Jissou enman no Hyoho) which is related to the last words of Musashi sensei’s saying 天仰実相円満之兵法逝去不絶. (Ten o aoguni Jisso enman no Hyoho seikyo ***** taezu) ‘Look up to the sky. Even if I die, my truly perfect Hyoho will never die’.

On the ura it is inscribed a poem which says
寒流帯月澄如鏡 (kanryu tsukiobite sumerukoto
kagamino gotoshi). – ‘In the flow of the cold and clear river. The moon is reflected. It seems to be a mirror.

This talks about what one should have in their heart/mind/spirit when fighting. To have a normal, calm state of mind 平常心 (Heijoshin). So when in the fight, having that feeling of the moon: beautiful clarity, all the time.

Interestingly, one of my Japanese friends could read it clearly but another had no idea.