Siegfried-Bodenstein
White Belt
Hi! I am a 17-year old male German and I have a serious hardcore 50-member German HEMA community as a group of tight-knit German friends. We are all born and raised in Germany. 9 of us are females while the rest are males. We are very passionate about Kampfringen. We practice, spar, and frequently duel(not to the death) each other hard in Kampfringen.
We all immigrated from Germany to the USA. We are all high-level Kampfringenists.
Anyways, what the hell is up with Modern Greco-Roman Wrestling athletes(collegiate and Olympic) we encounter here in the USA? They always try to request matches from us Kampfringen fighters.
These American Greco-Roman guys also think they can fight in real life when in reality, they are literally just a bunch of glorified weightlifter brawlers and their sport is very minimal to zero techniques. We literally have a lot of American Modern-Greco-Roman Wrestlers who come to us and brag to us that they won all of their matches by “bullying” their opponents by using only superior willpower and superior physical fitness but with zero techniques. What the love? It's hilarious.
These clowns always get literally killed in street fights I personally saw because they can't tell the difference between real fights and rule-based sport fights. Also, this **** happens a lot because they are arrogant pricks. A good number of these Modern-Greco-Roman Wrestling athletes are never taught by their coaches to de-escalate when others challenge them to street fights and instead, they are the ones who start street fights for no reason.
But the most annoying thing is that these Modern-Greco-Roman Wrestling athletes often try to request matches from me and my Kampfringen fighter friends just because our German HEMA community is physically near their American universities and their American Wrestling RTCs even though we just want to be left alone.
It's so annoying. These Americans now keep bugging us just because they heard that we are a serious competitive HEMA group and also heard that Kampfringen is a primarily-standing grappling martial art that is fanatical in standing up.
Anyways, we always decisively beat these Modern-Greco-Roman Wrestlers in matches even in their own Greco-Roman rules. They think their HIIT will save them from us even though hardcore full-contact Kampfringenists from serious HEMA groups are as tough as nails as buhurt ringen fighters especially in physical conditioning. The difference is we actually have techniques compared to these Modern-Greco-Roman fools who are 90% physical conditioning. It's hilarious how they have no respect for the concept of techniques.
Apparently, these Greco-Roman idiots think they can dominate us easily just because “Uh, Wraslin is the most dominant base in pro MMA”. And then I was laughing hard. These fools don't realize that the reason Wrestlers bullied everyone in pro MMA is:
1. Wrestlers make up the vast majority of the whole MMA world(pro, hobbyists, amateur, etc.) and both in numbers of losers and winners.
2. There are no true rival other non-Amature-Wrestling wrestling forms such as to present as a counter to Amateur Wrestling while Judo and Sambo are mostly used as support instead of their full skillsets. Every wrestler in MMA is almost overwhelmingly Amateur Wrestling. Even Khabib The Eagle was also a Wrestler and his Sambo was secondary support. He was first a Freestyle Wrestler in his youth. Not a Sambo player.
3. BJJ doesn't count because they are not true wrestlers. They're submission grapplers.
4. The rest are strikers and they'll get bullied anyway by grapplers.
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So yeah, the result? We destroyed and embarrassed these Greco-Roman Wrestling athletes in front of their organizations and communities so they trash talked because they couldn't handle the ego hit.
That's what happens when you think that you are the only real wrestling form in all of history. For love's sakes, wrestling forms are about the oldest forms of martial arts in history and they are like almost present in any culture and any nation.
Like duh, we Kampfringenists are also wrestlers. Just not Amateur Wrestlers. So what did they expect? Also, we are not like Judokas who grip clothes nor do we trip or sweep people. We literally attack your true bodies by using explosive power except we are highly technical about it. We're knights especially Germans at that, you Greco-Roman fucks.
These Wrestlers(like Freestyle and Folkstyle) are lovely fools. Apparently, they wanted to challenge us because their ego took a hit to the fact that Modern-Greco-Roman Wrestling is not the only standing clinch-heavy wrestling in existence after they realized the standing grappling wrestling that Kampfringen is. So they wanted to challenge us in matches.
It's so ridiculous. They literally think that Greco-Roman Wrestling is comparable to Kampfringen just because Greco-Roman Wrestling is “STANDING”.
They can't tell the difference.
Greco-Roman Wrestling being a standing martial art is not really about standing itself but more like throwing people as opposed to Freestyle and Folkstyle who are more into groundfighting and takedowns. It's just that you can't throw someone if you are not standing. Also, these Greco-Roman clowns think that they are all about “STANDING” just because they don't attack below the waist. Well that's because trying to bear hug people below the waist to throw them is extremely harder than Greco-Roman attacking the upper body because there is very little leverage due to the fact of weight imbalanced distribution and the torso is far heavier than the legs. That's why attacks below the waist are banned in Greco-Roman Wrestling. When it comes to attacks below the waists, all forms Amateur Wrestling athletes(Greco-Roman, Freestyle, and Folkstyle) can only do takedowns but not throws.
Anyways, Greco-Roman Wrestlers can't tell the difference between Greco-Roman Wrestling and Kampfringen when we say that Kampfringen is fanatically about standing.
Greco-Roman Wrestling being standing is the fact that they stand to throw people around and they forbid attacks below the waists but they end up exactly like Folkstyle Wrestlers and Freestyle Wrestlers in that if they throw people, they also go to the ground with the people they threw and they stopped standing.
As for Kampfringenists being fanatical standers, it's because they always remain standing and prioritized to never ever being taken to the ground against their will by any forms of attacks such as throws, slams, takedowns, off-balancing, etc. for like for example 12 whole rounds of a pro Boxing match. Also, Kampfringen has a lot of remain-standing(meaning the thrower never ever goes to the ground ever nor stops standing ever) throws and slams while these throws and slams are never present in Amateur Wrestling. Amateur Wrestling athletes are all the same. They slam or throw someone, they all go to the ground. And a lot of them including their most elite Olympic champions got slammed, thrown, put in the ground, and got their standing compromised a lot while these happen very rarely to zero to hardcore Ringen fighters especially elites from HEMA or Buhurt.
Yes, this extreme remain-standing mandate in Ringen was born because Medieval German battlefields and Medieval German Knights realized that groundfighting, especially prolonged ones, are good ways to die in real pre-gunpowder battlefields. This is why many of historical Ringen are mostly all about heavy hard high-skill quick standing clinch fights while Ringen groundfighting is not the excessive unarmed mat work of US public highschool wrestling but more like quick kills by the use of weapons such as daggers.
That's why I and my hard fellow German HEMA Kampfringenists destroyed these Modern-Greco-Roman Wrestling athletes in matches most of the time.
That's what happens when you think you are the only wrestling form of existence.
In all honesty, Amateur Wrestling is really nothing special in terms of techniques. They're just like any foreign obscure generic ethnic folk wrestling in the whole world.
Seriously, what the hell is up with Modern Greco-Roman Wrestling athletes?
We all immigrated from Germany to the USA. We are all high-level Kampfringenists.
Anyways, what the hell is up with Modern Greco-Roman Wrestling athletes(collegiate and Olympic) we encounter here in the USA? They always try to request matches from us Kampfringen fighters.
These American Greco-Roman guys also think they can fight in real life when in reality, they are literally just a bunch of glorified weightlifter brawlers and their sport is very minimal to zero techniques. We literally have a lot of American Modern-Greco-Roman Wrestlers who come to us and brag to us that they won all of their matches by “bullying” their opponents by using only superior willpower and superior physical fitness but with zero techniques. What the love? It's hilarious.
These clowns always get literally killed in street fights I personally saw because they can't tell the difference between real fights and rule-based sport fights. Also, this **** happens a lot because they are arrogant pricks. A good number of these Modern-Greco-Roman Wrestling athletes are never taught by their coaches to de-escalate when others challenge them to street fights and instead, they are the ones who start street fights for no reason.
But the most annoying thing is that these Modern-Greco-Roman Wrestling athletes often try to request matches from me and my Kampfringen fighter friends just because our German HEMA community is physically near their American universities and their American Wrestling RTCs even though we just want to be left alone.
It's so annoying. These Americans now keep bugging us just because they heard that we are a serious competitive HEMA group and also heard that Kampfringen is a primarily-standing grappling martial art that is fanatical in standing up.
Anyways, we always decisively beat these Modern-Greco-Roman Wrestlers in matches even in their own Greco-Roman rules. They think their HIIT will save them from us even though hardcore full-contact Kampfringenists from serious HEMA groups are as tough as nails as buhurt ringen fighters especially in physical conditioning. The difference is we actually have techniques compared to these Modern-Greco-Roman fools who are 90% physical conditioning. It's hilarious how they have no respect for the concept of techniques.
Apparently, these Greco-Roman idiots think they can dominate us easily just because “Uh, Wraslin is the most dominant base in pro MMA”. And then I was laughing hard. These fools don't realize that the reason Wrestlers bullied everyone in pro MMA is:
1. Wrestlers make up the vast majority of the whole MMA world(pro, hobbyists, amateur, etc.) and both in numbers of losers and winners.
2. There are no true rival other non-Amature-Wrestling wrestling forms such as to present as a counter to Amateur Wrestling while Judo and Sambo are mostly used as support instead of their full skillsets. Every wrestler in MMA is almost overwhelmingly Amateur Wrestling. Even Khabib The Eagle was also a Wrestler and his Sambo was secondary support. He was first a Freestyle Wrestler in his youth. Not a Sambo player.
3. BJJ doesn't count because they are not true wrestlers. They're submission grapplers.
4. The rest are strikers and they'll get bullied anyway by grapplers.
____
So yeah, the result? We destroyed and embarrassed these Greco-Roman Wrestling athletes in front of their organizations and communities so they trash talked because they couldn't handle the ego hit.
That's what happens when you think that you are the only real wrestling form in all of history. For love's sakes, wrestling forms are about the oldest forms of martial arts in history and they are like almost present in any culture and any nation.
Like duh, we Kampfringenists are also wrestlers. Just not Amateur Wrestlers. So what did they expect? Also, we are not like Judokas who grip clothes nor do we trip or sweep people. We literally attack your true bodies by using explosive power except we are highly technical about it. We're knights especially Germans at that, you Greco-Roman fucks.
These Wrestlers(like Freestyle and Folkstyle) are lovely fools. Apparently, they wanted to challenge us because their ego took a hit to the fact that Modern-Greco-Roman Wrestling is not the only standing clinch-heavy wrestling in existence after they realized the standing grappling wrestling that Kampfringen is. So they wanted to challenge us in matches.
It's so ridiculous. They literally think that Greco-Roman Wrestling is comparable to Kampfringen just because Greco-Roman Wrestling is “STANDING”.
They can't tell the difference.
Greco-Roman Wrestling being a standing martial art is not really about standing itself but more like throwing people as opposed to Freestyle and Folkstyle who are more into groundfighting and takedowns. It's just that you can't throw someone if you are not standing. Also, these Greco-Roman clowns think that they are all about “STANDING” just because they don't attack below the waist. Well that's because trying to bear hug people below the waist to throw them is extremely harder than Greco-Roman attacking the upper body because there is very little leverage due to the fact of weight imbalanced distribution and the torso is far heavier than the legs. That's why attacks below the waist are banned in Greco-Roman Wrestling. When it comes to attacks below the waists, all forms Amateur Wrestling athletes(Greco-Roman, Freestyle, and Folkstyle) can only do takedowns but not throws.
Anyways, Greco-Roman Wrestlers can't tell the difference between Greco-Roman Wrestling and Kampfringen when we say that Kampfringen is fanatically about standing.
Greco-Roman Wrestling being standing is the fact that they stand to throw people around and they forbid attacks below the waists but they end up exactly like Folkstyle Wrestlers and Freestyle Wrestlers in that if they throw people, they also go to the ground with the people they threw and they stopped standing.
As for Kampfringenists being fanatical standers, it's because they always remain standing and prioritized to never ever being taken to the ground against their will by any forms of attacks such as throws, slams, takedowns, off-balancing, etc. for like for example 12 whole rounds of a pro Boxing match. Also, Kampfringen has a lot of remain-standing(meaning the thrower never ever goes to the ground ever nor stops standing ever) throws and slams while these throws and slams are never present in Amateur Wrestling. Amateur Wrestling athletes are all the same. They slam or throw someone, they all go to the ground. And a lot of them including their most elite Olympic champions got slammed, thrown, put in the ground, and got their standing compromised a lot while these happen very rarely to zero to hardcore Ringen fighters especially elites from HEMA or Buhurt.
Yes, this extreme remain-standing mandate in Ringen was born because Medieval German battlefields and Medieval German Knights realized that groundfighting, especially prolonged ones, are good ways to die in real pre-gunpowder battlefields. This is why many of historical Ringen are mostly all about heavy hard high-skill quick standing clinch fights while Ringen groundfighting is not the excessive unarmed mat work of US public highschool wrestling but more like quick kills by the use of weapons such as daggers.
That's why I and my hard fellow German HEMA Kampfringenists destroyed these Modern-Greco-Roman Wrestling athletes in matches most of the time.
That's what happens when you think you are the only wrestling form of existence.
In all honesty, Amateur Wrestling is really nothing special in terms of techniques. They're just like any foreign obscure generic ethnic folk wrestling in the whole world.
Seriously, what the hell is up with Modern Greco-Roman Wrestling athletes?
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