Cheap guns for home defense

[Grenadier]

With all of the talk about money these days, maybe I can bring some good news...

Money is tight these days, there's no doubt about that. At the same time, though, when it comes to defending your own home, you shouldn't try to do it as cheaply as possible, unless you have absolutely no other choice.

Does that mean that home defense is expensive? Not necessarily. There are many good guns that can be had for a relatively low price; you just have to be careful about what you buy. Just as an example:

Under 100 dollars:

Not a good place to be at all, but despite this, you can find some decent guns, if you don't mind them being used and scuffed, such as:

Iver-Johnson .38 revolver
Russian Nagant .38 revolver
H&R top-break revolver
High Point pistols (don't laugh; they actually work)
CZ-52 pistol
Various single shot shotguns

100-150 dollars (again, these are for used guns):

Remington 870 12 gauge shotgun
Mossberg Maverick shotgun
FEG pistols (9mm Mak caliber)
Radom P63/P64 pistols
Chinese Tokarev pistols

150-200 dollars:

Various Rossi revolvers (used)
Ruger P-95 pistol (used)
FEG pistols (9 mm Parabellum caliber, used)
Bulgarian or Russian Makarov pistols
Used S&W K-frame .38 revolvers (local place here has various Model 10 revolvers for under 200)

 

[zDom]

Two feets they come a creepin'
Like a black cat do
And two bodies are layin' naked
Creeper think he got nothin' to lose
So he creeps into this house, yeah
And unlocks the door
And as a man's reaching for his trousers
Shoots him full of .38 holes

(Chorus)
Mr.Saturday night special
Got a barrel that's blue and cold
Ain't no good for nothin'
But put a man six feet in a hole

Big Jim's been drinkin' whiskey
And playing poker on a losin' night
And pretty soon, Big Jim starts a thinkin'
Somebody been cheatin' and lyin'
So Big Jim commences to fightin'
I wouldn't tell you no lie
And Big Jim done pull his pistol
Shot his friend right between the eyes

(Chorus)

Oooh Saturday night special...
For twenty dollars you can buy yourself one too...

Oooh let me tell you all about it...

Well hand guns are made for killin'
They ain't no good for nothin' else
And if you like to drink your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why don't we dump 'em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some ole fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me

(Chorus)

Ooooh it's a Saturday night special
And I'd like to tell you what you can do with it too...



Heheheh couldn't resist

I'm not really anti-gun other than it would be nice, as a martial artist, if they all magically vanished. Then we would RULE TEH EARTH! MuahhaHAHhah!

 

[Kacey]

With all of the talk about money these days, maybe I can bring some good news...

Money is tight these days, there's no doubt about that. At the same time, though, when it comes to defending your own home, you shouldn't try to do it as cheaply as possible, unless you have absolutely no other choice.

Does that mean that home defense is expensive? Not necessarily. There are many good guns that can be had for a relatively low price; you just have to be careful about what you buy. Just as an example:

Under 100 dollars:

Not a good place to be at all, but despite this, you can find some decent guns, if you don't mind them being used and scuffed, such as:

Iver-Johnson .38 revolver
Russian Nagant .38 revolver
H&R top-break revolver
High Point pistols (don't laugh; they actually work)
CZ-52 pistol
Various single shot shotguns

100-150 dollars (again, these are for used guns):

Remington 870 12 gauge shotgun
Mossberg Maverick shotgun
FEG pistols (9mm Mak caliber)
Radom P63/P64 pistols
Chinese Tokarev pistols

150-200 dollars:

Various Rossi revolvers (used)
Ruger P-95 pistol (used)
FEG pistols (9 mm Parabellum caliber, used)
Bulgarian or Russian Makarov pistols
Used S&W K-frame .38 revolvers (local place here has various Model 10 revolvers for under 200)

Thanks for posting this! As you may have seen from my thread, one of my friends recently took me shooting for the first time, and I will be going with a group of friends the end of next week; they've offered to let me try a variety of guns that they will have with them at the range so I can start to get an idea what I might want to get - and the cost of the gun was a primary concern for me. This gives me some good ideas to get started with once I've had a chance to try a variety of sizes and styles.

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

Kacey if you have the money buy Glock and you will never regret it.

Now as to cheap firearms well I was recently at the range and someone had a Keltec I believe and it was a nice little firearm for the $250 or so he spent on it. Still when in doubt and in the moment I want a firearm that is tried and true so in that case I am willing to pay a little more.

 

[Bodhisattva]

With all of the talk about money these days, maybe I can bring some good news...

Money is tight these days, there's no doubt about that. At the same time, though, when it comes to defending your own home, you shouldn't try to do it as cheaply as possible, unless you have absolutely no other choice.

Does that mean that home defense is expensive? Not necessarily. There are many good guns that can be had for a relatively low price; you just have to be careful about what you buy. Just as an example:

Under 100 dollars:

Not a good place to be at all, but despite this, you can find some decent guns, if you don't mind them being used and scuffed, such as:

Iver-Johnson .38 revolver
Russian Nagant .38 revolver
H&R top-break revolver
High Point pistols (don't laugh; they actually work)
CZ-52 pistol
Various single shot shotguns

100-150 dollars (again, these are for used guns):

Remington 870 12 gauge shotgun
Mossberg Maverick shotgun
FEG pistols (9mm Mak caliber)
Radom P63/P64 pistols
Chinese Tokarev pistols

150-200 dollars:

Various Rossi revolvers (used)
Ruger P-95 pistol (used)
FEG pistols (9 mm Parabellum caliber, used)
Bulgarian or Russian Makarov pistols
Used S&W K-frame .38 revolvers (local place here has various Model 10 revolvers for under 200)

What are some things a person should look at when purchasing a used pistol? How do you know if a used pistol is still safe and shoots straight?

 

[zDom]

Yea, I've been thinking of getting a Glock for some time. Heard good things and a kajillion LEO can't be wrong eh?

 

[KenpoTex]

Kacey if you have the money buy Glock and you will never regret it.

Now as to cheap firearms well I was recently at the range and someone had a Keltec I believe and it was a nice little firearm for the $250 or so he spent on it. Still when in doubt and in the moment I want a firearm that is tried and true so in that case I am willing to pay a little more.

Exactly! The comfort of knowing I carry the most reliable pistol model on the market (9mm Glocks) is worth an extra 1-2 hundred. Even if that means skipping movies or fast food for a month or so to save up the extra $ rather than going with a cheaper (lower quality) weapon.

If I had to "do it cheap" I'd recommend a used S&W revolver, the Com-bloc stuff (the CZ-52 is sweet), or one of the shotguns listed.

 

[benj13bowlin]

I would recoment a cheap Mil Spec 1911. You can find them for around $300 if you know where to look, and they are by far my favorite gun. Check www.auctionarms.com and www.gunsamerica.com

 

[CuongNhuka]

I have a feeling M16s are about to be cheap. Is that good?

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[jks9199]

Glocks are great guns for cops; they tolerate abuse mind bogglingly well, and still go bang. They have no extra things to deal with like external safety switches or decocking levers. They've got one drawback, in that you have to pull the trigger to disassemble the gun -- but that's workable.

I'm not sure that I'd consider them an ideal home defense gun, however, unless you are reasonably well trained in safety and handling -- for several of the same reasons that they're great cop guns. They have no external safety; you put your finger on the trigger, and she's gonna go bang. They're also more expensive than a revolver.

I'd suggest a decent, .40 or .45 calibre revolver for home defense with minimal training. There's less to go wrong, fewer bullets to send flying, and they're cheaper.

That or a shotgun...

 

[teekin]

Glock 9mm take huge huge abuse but do jam. There was an issue with the 40's action and ejector. Hubby had to rework and smith a shitload of these for cops and civvies. Glock never did take responsibility for this and it was a man. defect. Please do not buy a .40. The CZ is the way to go.
Lori

 

[Deaf Smith]

Sheep guns? no Cheep Guns! Ok.

I've owned I'd say well over 400 guns in my life (gun nut by 16 years old!)

Even traded a H&R .22 revolver for a FN made Browning .25 vest pocket pistol with my electrical teacher in high school (in the parking lot no less!)

H&R make ok pistols. Inexpensive and you can use them as your first practice gun (which is what I did when I was 16.)

Unfortunatly .38 Smith & Wesson revolvers arn't so cheep anymore! $300 in just decent shape. Same goes for Ruger Security Six/Service Six/Speed Six revolvers. Forget Colt revolvers... way to high now as Colt pretty much abandoned the field.

If you can find a good Smith M10 .38 revolver, tight, nice condtion, for $250, grab it. Especially if it's a 2 inch round butt. And if it's stainless (the M64) use the rent money if you have to.

Taurus and Rossi are ok, but they are in the $300 buck range now! And they ain't S&W, I can assure you.

Oh.. right, sheep, no, cheep guns!

The Bersa .380 is very reliable. Makes a decent concealed gun (if not real powerful.) $250 is about what they go for. I like the racy CCW version of the gun with melted slide. Looks cool. I recommend it as a CCW gun for those who can't afford more. Nice thing is they make a .22 version! You can cut your ammo cost way down by getting one as the trainer. It will pay for itself.

Glocks? Lots said above about them. Yea they are as good as they say they are (I should know, won some state IDPA expert class championships with them, never jammed at all.) Got over 100,000 rounds out of one of them (a Glock 17.) But expect to pay $450 for a used one. 9mm are what they were designed for and cheepist to shoot.

Kel-tecs are ok, but a fair number of them have problems (but the factory is famous for making good.) I consider the P3AT a last ditch gun and not a plinking gun at all! It kicks!

Ruger MKII and MKIII .22 pistols are excellent. Money well spent. Get stainless if you are lazy like me at cleaning.

Rifle wise the Ruger 10/22 is hard to beat. $150 or so and very very good. I prefer the stainless as, like I said, I'm lazy at cleaning.

High Point 9mm rifles I have shot alot (don't own, but shot alot) and are very reliable and accurate. I detest the mag (10 round) but other than that they do work and work well.

Shotguns. Cheep? Mossburg is the way to go. Very reliable (100,000 U.S. Marines can't be all wrong) and sturdy. You can get one for $150 or so if you look around.

Yes NEF makes a shotgun but they don't measure up to the orgional H&R single shots (my favorite of single shot scatterguns.)

Ex-military?

Makarov. Reliable as a Glock. Sure the 9x18 isn't a 9mm Luger, but it's ok. Bulgarian's are about all you can find now. East Germans are real hard to find (but have the best trigger pulls!)

Russian Nagant 7.62x54 rifles are also pretty rugged and cheep. But the saftey is very hard to use (but the spike bayonet is easy to use!)

Undoubtabley there are more, but those above are good ones.

Deaf

 

[Hawke]

Guns for home defense brings a concern I heard from another person.

If you have children, make sure the bullets are strong enough to do the work, but not so strong they will go through walls.

Any suggestions for a gun whose bullet will be effective enough to defend the home, but also keep the kids safe?

 

[jks9199]

They're not cheap -- but there are a number of frangible rounds on the market to address exactly that concern. They'll allegedly (never tested 'em myself, or seen an actual test, just videos/pics/reports) do the job -- but not go through standard walls.

I've also been told that bird shot is unlikely to penetrate a wall, while still being effective.

But really -- the best control is to remember the 4th Cardinal Rule: Know your target, and what is behind your target. If your backstop is the kid's bedroom wall, it may not be time to shoot... Murphy loves to put his 2 cents in at the worst possible moment, so when you figure your frangible round won't miss, it will -- and that's when you'll discover that the builder went ultra cheap on drywall, or your kid fixed the hole they put in the wall with newspaper...

 

[army]

i personally own a springfield XD9 which i love to death brand new for 400 and than i also own an AR-10 which i have not be able to fire cuase i bought it while i'm over here on deployment can't wait but the ar-15 is about to go down in price alot due to the high depand for the ar-10...anyways thanks all

 

[teekin]

Just how easy are Glazer safety slugs to get where you are? The will do work but not pass through metal. They may be tough to find.
Lori

 

[chinto]

for home defense you want a decent weapon.. not a cheepy that may fail you... that said, well a good 12 gage/bore shot gun is very very hard to beat! in pistols people Bore Diameter! Bore Diameter!!! that is all that counts till you got at least 2000 fps on the round!! no pistol does that! so bigger is better.. a reasonably good .45 takes a cheeper or more expesive .38 or 9mm every time! ( im an ex EMT and believe me that its the size of the cannon ball that counts in a pistol.) rifles will work but remember they can shoot though the attacker, 4 walls and the baby and mother across the street and still kill the father!! not nessesarily a good choice for home defense if you live in the city.. good one for rural living out in the county with no neighbors for ohh a mile or so.
and well a bayonet works great! if you get it home, and then again some jurys see it as some how crewl and some how not quite fair or somthing and may throw you in prison where if you shot him you would walk...... something to consider.. jurys do not seem to like knives a lot.

 

[Grenadier]

What are some things a person should look at when purchasing a used pistol? How do you know if a used pistol is still safe and shoots straight?

Buy only from reputable folks. This will remove most of the garbage guns out there. Whether you're doing this via private sale, or from a FFL holder, either way, only go to the reputable ones.

Once you see the gun, ask if you can field strip it, if it's a semiautomatic pistol. Check to see that there are no bulges in the barrel, no barrel erosion, excessive slide peening, broken recoil or trigger springs, etc.

Also, make sure that there isn't any excessive play in the moving parts.

If it's a revolver, make sure that the cylinder rotates freely when swung out, and doesn't rotate once it's locked into place. Again, check the barrel for erosion and bulges.

Ask to dry fire the gun. If the seller refuses, then take a pass on it. By dry firing, you can get a decent idea of how well the trigger works.

 

[KenpoTex]

Guns for home defense brings a concern I heard from another person.

If you have children, make sure the bullets are strong enough to do the work, but not so strong they will go through walls.

Any suggestions for a gun whose bullet will be effective enough to defend the home, but also keep the kids safe?

Projectiles that will reliably and consistently penetrate to an "adequate" depth in human tissue will go through drywall with no problem.

Use a bullet that will do the job (penetrating the BG) and, like JKS said, know where you're shooting.

 

[KenpoTex]

in pistols people Bore Diameter! Bore Diameter!!! that is all that counts till you got at least 2000 fps on the round!! no pistol does that! so bigger is better.. a reasonably good .45 takes a cheeper or more expesive .38 or 9mm every time! ( im an ex EMT and believe me that its the size of the cannon ball that counts in a pistol.)

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