Are women disadvantaged in striking arts/styles?

[K-man]

Sounds like you are giving your students the sort of violence they are trying to avoid i.e. being beaten full force with no protection.

All the conditioning in the world isn't going to stop your floating rib from snapping if a 182cm 127kg man punches a 165cm man 63kg man full force.

No. Just controlled conditioning. Nothing to do with beating and not above a level that that particular person can tolerate. I think you should look at your understanding of 'violence'.

Definition of Violence. The intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment or deprivation.

Um! No! We've never had that from conditioning. It is totally controlled.

We have always done circle work with punches and kicks, Systema and Krav both have multiple attacker training where you get punched from all directions. Teaches you to relax and absorb.

So, out of interest, what do you do in your training to prepare you for being hit?
:asian:

 

[Touch Of Death]

It always shows the ignorance of people using that word because they don't actually understand that sheep are actually quite bright ( intelligence equal to dogs ) with very good memories, have excellent defence skills and coping strategies under the most extreme conditions. I don't know why people malign sheep just based on what they think sheep do! :miffer:

Sheep = controlled by, cute but mean, dogs.

 

[Tez3]

Sheep = controlled by, cute but mean, dogs.

Where I live the sheep live out on the hills, all through the winter as well, they lamb outside, protect themselves from foxes and army tanks. Once a year they are brought down for shearing and selling. They are tough sheep, a ram killed a farmer not long ago and they have been know to go for walkers in lambing time. Sheep dogs aren't mean but very obedient and controlled so rather than calling people after sheep perhaps sheep dogs would be better. Under the master's thumb, not allowed to do what they want, obedient and only needed sometimes.
these are our sheep , see how much they cost? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swaledale_sheep

 

[Zero]

these are our sheep , see how much they cost? Swaledale sheep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's one strange looking goat you got there. :uhyeah:

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

The sheep, sheeple, sheep dog terms are so overused and frankly not very accurate and insulting on many levels regardless of which ones you use. Grossman didn't do anyone a service when he thought them up!

 

[Touch Of Death]

Where I live the sheep live out on the hills, all through the winter as well, they lamb outside, protect themselves from foxes and army tanks. Once a year they are brought down for shearing and selling. They are tough sheep, a ram killed a farmer not long ago and they have been know to go for walkers in lambing time. Sheep dogs aren't mean but very obedient and controlled so rather than calling people after sheep perhaps sheep dogs would be better. Under the master's thumb, not allowed to do what they want, obedient and only needed sometimes.
these are our sheep , see how much they cost? Swaledale sheep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is brilliant, actually, because the cops are the sheep-dogs, and that just happens to be what we are discussing in this instance.

 

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[Tez3]

I quite agree we need to back on topic but have to add I've now been left with the vision of police officers having cold, wet noses.........

 

[RTKDCMB]

It always shows the ignorance of people using that word because they don't actually understand that sheep are actually quite bright ( intelligence equal to dogs ) with very good memories, have excellent defence skills and coping strategies under the most extreme conditions. I don't know why people malign sheep just based on what they think sheep do! :miffer:

A lot of people who end up in cults are quite bright as well but that doesn't stop them from being led.

 

[Zero]

A lot of people who end up in cults are quite bright as well but that doesn't stop them from being led.

This post is going all over the show, from Tez punching some poor over-sized corn-fed army dude in the snoozle to cults.
Anyhow, what is wrong with being led and letting someone else take the lead?

I am genuinely interested though, what would have happened if someone in the line had, rather than just stand and take the punch, blocked your police instructor's strike and put him in a rear naked choke or some such. Would they still have been cut for not making the grade? It's good to know someone can take a punch...better to know they can avoid one and actually protect themselves and others in the first place.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Anyhow, what is wrong with being led and letting someone else take the lead?

That depends on how and where you are being led.

 

[Zero]

That depends on how and where you are being led.

Ain't that the truth! I've been led up a few garden paths myself over the years.

 

[Hanzou]

Back to the topic at hand;

I felt that this was a pretty solid (if abrupt) article on the subject;

Martial Arts Jiu-Jitsu and Women Gracie Barra Carlsbad 8211 Brazilian JiuJitsu

 

[Cirdan]

Here is norwegian Cecilia Brækhus, one of those poor weak disadvantaged women.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Here is norwegian Cecilia Brækhus, one of those poor weak disadvantaged women.

An amazing and gifted woman. But it must be admitted that she'd be in trouble if matched against a world class heavyweight. That is why weight classes exist. All other things being equal, sheer size and strength becomes a much more significant factor.
It is inaccurate to say that woman are disadvantaged in combat arts (striking or not). It is, however, accurate to say that size and strength do play a role in determining the outcome of a match, regardless of the plumbing involved.

 

[kodora81]

An amazing and gifted woman. But it must be admitted that she'd be in trouble if matched against a world class heavyweight. That is why weight classes exist. All other things being equal, sheer size and strength becomes a much more significant factor.
It is inaccurate to say that woman are disadvantaged in combat arts (striking or not). It is, however, accurate to say that size and strength do play a role in determining the outcome of a match, regardless of the plumbing involved.

^This.

I don't post here very often, but as another female martial artist I felt compelled to reply.

If we truly follow the premise of the OP, then EVERYONE would be disadvantaged in the striking arts, as there will always be someone bigger/stronger than them.

I'm 5'1" and 110lbs. Am I the smaller sparring partner the majority of the time? Hell yes. Does that stop me from training? Hell no.

 

[Cirdan]

Yes Dirty Dog, I believe that point may have been brought up once or twice before. As has certain things that might actually be to a woman`s advantage believe it or not.

I`d like to ask the other boys around here a question: have you ever lost a sparring match against a woman (disadvantaged as they are) due to overconfidence?

I`ll go first, I have, more than once too, and not only were they women they were also lower ranked than me and I got beaten fair and square due to ego.

 

[Hanzou]

^This.

I don't post here very often, but as another female martial artist I felt compelled to reply.

If we truly follow the premise of the OP, then EVERYONE would be disadvantaged in the striking arts, as there will always be someone bigger/stronger than them.

I'm 5'1" and 110lbs. Am I the smaller sparring partner the majority of the time? Hell yes. Does that stop me from training? Hell no.

Size wasn't the only consideration. The other was cultural and societal mores that caused men to treat women differently while training.

 

[kodora81]

What about female vs female sparring/grappling? Does this never happen?

 

[kodora81]

Size wasn't the only consideration. The other was cultural and societal mores that caused men to treat women differently while training.

I can only speak from personal experience, but at my club male students get over that pretty quickly. When they don't, they learn a pretty quick lesson similar to Tez's student.