- Feb 27, 2012
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- Fairfax Virginia
Umm, if you are facing someone, ie the majority of times you will be taking a defensive stance, your kidneys should not be a major concern, as the BG has to get to your back side, or at minimum to your flank in order to attack them. That makes them not a top priority concern at the moment I am dropping into a stance. Now you add the variable of multiples, something that was not being discussed before. Then again, the main way to protect your kidneys is to not expose them to your opponent, which brings us back to your original description of your stance.
In Baguazhang, emphasis is placed on gaining control of the spine and back. Many moves, and rotations are designed to get behind a person, and I am certain you realize the vulnerability this poses, in any stance or style to the organs. Additionally, there are some practitioners of a skill level where you do not want them to touch you period, even lightly, because of the internal mastery they have. I know one such individual who has practiced in acujutsu for a number of years, who in one session nearly tore my bicep from the bone.
Again, I must emphasize that in this stance, one is not oriented in such a fashion that the shoulder over their back leg points diagonally, which is frankly the only posture, from a front point of view, I can picture the organ being vulnerability to counterstrike. And this position does occur often, for many people who practice TSD and perform a straight-armed ridge hand, or wild crescent kick.
can't speak for BAGUA, but definitely in judo, you do not turn your back on a knife wielding opponent without first controlling the weapon, making this point kinda moot.
I would concur this is practical sense for all. I was merely pointing out how some sweeps can turn the body to such a degree, for some circumstances. I did not name knives in this one (for example, no one would use a push technique to meet an oncoming assailant wielding a bladed or known concealable object). There is a time and place for everything, I would, like you, never turn my back to a live weapon, no matter who held it.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind a photo as the verbal description is leaving me confused. If possible, could you post a photo with an armed BG to better help me understand? I seem to be conceptually challenged this evening.
I will edit this post in about an hour to include a picture. I am uncertain as to what an armed bg is, however.
There is a BIG difference between the theory of a kick being able to break bones, and the ability to do the same. Something you seem to recognise when you suggest converting the crescent kick into a different kick to "possibly" achieve the results you desire.
I concur. I would argue a core tenant to all martial arts is for one to know oneself, and that includes ability among many other things. I would not advertise people to perform this technique. I would not advise people to condition against brick, as a starting point for hand conditioning either, but eventually, some do progress to that level.
Consider which bones are most commonly broken by a kick or a punch. The ribs, relatively lightweight bones that can't move with the force being applied to them(unlike, say an arm being struck by a crescent kick). Or the leg bones, often the shin, usually when planted and taking the full brunt of the force of a kick.
It depends on the situation. It is far easier to break a joint than a bone, given the right angle and force is applied sufficiently. However, when joints are aligned properly, they reinforce. Depending on one's posture, stance, movement speed, there are a lot of variables for the likelihood of a technique actually breaking, or working at all.
As you are such a hard hitter, how many arms have you broken with crescent kicks?
None, because I do not, and have never tried to inflict permanent damage on others. In my own opine, the perfectly mastered technique is one which is executed and the end result is with enough control that the technique may well never have occurred. I would like to be whimsically wishful in desiring that some techniques can even correct injuries, when applied in certain ways.
I recall one individual twisting his ankle improperly performing a round kick, and later a leg hold in Hapkido corrected the minor injury. Anything can happen, and I apologize for digressing. Let me stress I associate Mastery, in part, with control.
How many people do you know who have managed to do the same? How many professionals, be it full contact karate(in all its forms), kickboxing, muay thai or MMA can you point to who have done it?
When learning Krav Maga, and Muai Thai, I would say nearly everyone who had been practicing over two years. Never underestimate aggression and inertia.
Or is it like most bones broken by an opponent, a rare occurrence, a fluke? Is that what you want someone to trust their lives to? The one in a million chance that their crescent kick can actually break the bad guys arm before he slashes your leg, or you impale yourself on his blade, considering " I've found most people do not, practically, know how to defend against a knife using their arms and hands, let alone their legs." Considering that the thread is titled ...time to reconsider some techniques , perhaps you may want to re-assess yours.
The statement that some techniques exist, and are possible, does not mean they are necessary and advisable. Just as certain things are not taught to children, there is a time and place for everything. And while some pursued unorthodox means, one should not make a value judgement upon another for bringing the subject up, when the subject itself is techniques to be re-evaluated.