I assume that you are the martial artist formerly known as 'Youn Hwa Mann'? T'would seem that I've sparked a round of name changesOk let me set this straight. For one the school I posted a link to is in saint louis missouri not in california! Second I have very valid points to why their school is a mcdojo. Most of...not all but most of their instructors have less than 2 years of total training time. They have masters with less than 3 years of traing time. They bait their students in with awesome deals... trial period $25.99 3 weeks and free uniform, than when their students decide to quit because the training is aweful they sue them for the remainder of their contract, in upwards of $2000. They learn through green belt what we teach at white belt. Monthly belt testing even though the student is not ready??? And when the parents say no they threaten with their contract! Ive competed against their black belts on several occasions and they don't have the training they should! Koryo form at black belt?....no this should be a red belt form! Maybe my outlook is different but when a parenet pulls their child from a tourny because she doesnt think her student is good enough to compete with the other schools....this makes me wonder! I personally know several of their former instructors and they are happier now teaching on their own! I'm not trying to offend anyone I was just pionting out the points that if you think my association is a Mcdojo then you should check out this school! Sorry if I offended anyone, I appologize!:asian:
I wasn't thrown off by it. Actually, I think the legend is kind of cool.I think some people got thrown off of the rest of that post because of the "legend" of Youn Wha--which as others have stated it's just a legend, like the start of Kung Fu Panda "Legend tells of a legendary warrior, who's fighting was the stuff of LEGEND!". Who knows there might be some truth to it, or it might just be a bedtime story.
Pretty much the same as WTF, except that you can't kick to the face. That always puzzled me in WTF that they allow kicks to the face, which is unguarded, but no punches to anywhere on the head, which is protected by the hogu.Our sparring rules are pretty simple:
No kicks to the face
No hand attacks to the head/face
You can kick to the sides & back of the head, with control
Punches and kicks to the front & sides of the chest protector
No kicks/punches below the belt
In order to score a point your kick/punch must either jar the opponent or move him back
Koryo is a Kukkiwon form, though I have no idea if the ITF uses it as well.Koryo is an ITF 1st Dan form if I am not mistaken. I got my first Dan at an ITF school, and that was one of the forms we needed to advance to 2nd Dan. That is one of the 1st Dan forms in Chung Do Kwan as well. It may be a red belt form for you guys, but everywhere else in the TKD world it is a BB form.
And what is you proof that they are a McDojang? Have you been a student there and went through this?
Koryo is a Kukkiwon form, though I have no idea if the ITF uses it as well.
Regarding McDojo proof, if you were replying to me, I haven't called the school a McDojo; I've never visited it.
Daniel
I'd say that's a valid way to look at it, I'm currently just a blue belt (hopefully I'll be eligible to test for red in January) so I don't have as much knowledge to answer that question as I'd like to have. Most of what I've learned so far has been Tae Kwon Do, although I have learned a few things that are not TKD and it appears the higher rank you go the more non-TKD techniques you learn.I looked at the Youn Hwa site and read through the curriculum and the description, and I kind of got the impression of a taekwondo school with a good deal advanced material for yudansha. Certainly not a bad thing at all.
Bob0812, DaylightDave, do you see Youn Hwa Ryu as something like a kwan of taekwondo, much as Ishin Ryu, Shotokan, Shorin Ryu, and Kyokushin are all styles of Karate, or do you see it a fully distinct art?
Daniel
Im done with this thread, it should be locked all its doing is causing one anothr to argue. I will infact answer your question. I know that most places Koryo is a BB form I understand that, I just do it at Red Belt. Here is why I think they are a McDojo:Koryo is an ITF 1st Dan form if I am not mistaken. I got my first Dan at an ITF school, and that was one of the forms we needed to advance to 2nd Dan. That is one of the 1st Dan forms in Chung Do Kwan as well. It may be a red belt form for you guys, but everywhere else in the TKD world it is a BB form.
And what is you proof that they are a McDojang? Have you been a student there and went through this?
I'd be curious as to how many of those students were young students with poom ranks. If a school is fairly large, then they certianly could turn out a large number of black belt students.Also if this is not a belt factory I dont know what is:
look down the page at their black belts:
http://worldtaekwondo.com/assistant.htm#brownb
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I don't think you can compare raw numbers of techniques to assess a school's quality. For example, to reach green belt in my class, you need to have an appropriate level of mastery of the following:Im done with this thread, it should be locked all its doing is causing one anothr to argue. I will infact answer your question. I know that most places Koryo is a BB form I understand that, I just do it at Red Belt. Here is why I think they are a McDojo:
To Advance to Yellow:
Basic Form 1
Straight Kick
Cresent Kick
Snap Kick
Down Block
Center Block
Face Block
To Advance to Second Yellow:
Basic Form 2
Roundhouse
SideKick
OutInCresent
Inside Block
Knifehand
To Advance to Green:
Basic Form 3
Step Straight KIck
Step Cresent Kick
This is all the technique you learn to get to green belt! I teach all this plus more at white belt. Also in the last 10 years I have had alot of their students come to my school with no technique and telling me how they were pushed to test in only one month. Especially when their school 10 miles from me closed down do to legal issues. Also they tie their students into black belt contracts and when the students decide karate isnt for them they sue them for thousands of dollars.
I would like this thread to die so please let it. I really should have never posted it, but I was trying to show the difference in my association and a mcdojo, but I failed to realize no one here has any idea of this school and never has had any experiance with them. I apologize to everyone and would lie this to die. Thank You![]()
Te-ez! You are so EVIL! DON'T post on this thread!!! Have you never had a thread you wish would die? Have you no compassion?
Seriously, I think you are absolutely correct. The very first sign that your school is NOT a mcdojo is that someone from the school is active on these boards. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT-o!