Enson said:clearly! hee hee! i didn't know that was a requirement to study martial arts...
no, no, i looked back and never asked that. that was a response given to me regarding my question on why hatsumi let a book be written in his name.heretic888 said:Its not. But, you asked why things are done the way they are done in Japan.
Take in mind that several Japanese would be just as bewildered at the way we do things in the West, as well.
apparently so. i don't think it is a cultural thing saying "okay write a book with my picture on it and my name on it but totally wrong ideas... then after you make me rich i will totally deny ties to you or the book." again hatsumi never said this... just hearsay and rumors.Nimravus said:He's Japanese. You apparently have a hard time understanding the way Japanese are.
Ben Cole uttered the following phrase once and no one has said it better yet: "Hatsumi sensei will gladly give you the rope you need to hang yourself with".
Enson said:no, no, i looked back and never asked that. that was a response given to me regarding my question on why hatsumi let a book be written in his name.
sure just doesn't seem like an "american" thing to do. write a book under false pretenses and all.Nimravus said:If Hatsumi sensei has denied his ties to Stephen Hayes, which I seriously doubt he has, that book would have nothing to do with it.
Did it ever occur to you that it may have been Stephen Hayes who WANTED to write the book in question?
Going further in that direction, is it just me or has anyone else thought of the hilariousness of the fact that Stephen Hayes claims to teach his own interpretation of Hatsumi sensei's art using Western principles, while at the same time clinging to his old "five elements theory"?Enson said:
actually i think don roley said that hayes is the only one that used the five elements, and that wasn't done in japan. weird.Nimravus said:Going further in that direction, is it just me or has anyone else thought of the hilariousness of the fact that Stephen Hayes claims to teach his own interpretation of Hatsumi sensei's art using Western principles, while at the same time clinging to his old "five elements theory"?
Ashida Kim, Haha Lung, Frank Dux, the list could go on and on. Americans, like every other nationality, are not perfect. I think as we pass into adulthood, we realize that the world "is" and it's not necessarily the way we think it "should be" or expect it to be.Enson said:
Enson said:actually i think don roley said that hayes is the only one that used the five elements, and that wasn't done in japan. weird.
Not at all. I don't want people to accept my definition as I have not presented my definition. what I presented was someone elses (Hatsumi Sensei's) definition. I have assigned no meaning as the definition is quite clear and speaks for itself. Quite clear and less than 5 words. When did we have this scientific pole where 99 percent of the population would have a different opinion than that of given by Hatsumi Sensei? No barbes were intended. I only ask that that 99 percent that disagree with the definition presented, present their own. Thus far, no takers. Not one single definition of Ninjutsu was presented by anyone other than the one I presented. Only complaints at the only definition presented. I believe it would help a lot more if you drop the complaints and present to this Forum and the administration, your (meaning you and the other 99 percent) own definition. Misdirection by constantly complaining could only mean that no one knows any definitions.Don Roley said:Sojobow,
You post directed at me was rather disjointed and just seemed to bounce back and forth among certain things.
Let me see if I can get this straight. You want people to accept your definition of ninjutsu, quote a book and assign your own meaning to it. When I point out that your reading of it really is not what 99 percent of the population would say it is, you start tossing even more barbs at those disagreeing with you.
The difference is that what I have failed to give a decent answer to in the past is (1)it's your opinion that the answers were not decent but they were honest, and (2)Kizaru was totally dishonest. He knows it and you know it so defending him may also indicate some type of dishonesty on your part. I am not sniping at him or anyone else for that matter. I would consider his last post above "sniping" for that matter and it is noted that he did not "deal with the issues" just as you have not dealt with the issue. As there is no written definition of "sniping" on this Forum, excuse me from doing so. In reality, any answer I present is decent.And if you want to start bringing up past history (i.e. with Kizaru) there is a ton of stuff we could bring up that you have failed to give a decent answer to in the past. Since they were first, maybe we should deal with them, or you can drop your sniping at him and deal with the issue.
I think I may have asked more than once before but have yet to be presented with the information.Flatlander said:==================================================
Please keep the discussion at a mature, respectful level. Please review our sniping policy. http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=314 Feel free to use the Ignore feature to ignore members whose posts you do not wish to read (it is at the bottom of each member's profile). Thank you.
I think it has clearly been shown that those guidelines are actually incorrect begining with the initial sentence. Whether or not they remain so is up to you and other members of your administration. I will accept whatever is agreed upon. I do believe that you are finalizing things very soon so the definitions are really of no use and I, for one, will discontinue participating in the discussion within this thread. Not really getting anywhere anyway.Seig said:Why is the definition if ninjutsu even being discuissed? I thought our guidelines were clear.
sojobow said:Not at all. I don't want people to accept my definition as I have not presented my definition. what I presented was someone elses (Hatsumi Sensei's) definition.
As the passage of time continued to unfold the fabric of Japans history, the ninja and their ways of accomplishment, known as Ninjutsu, were always present behind the scenes of all the eras to ensure the survival and independence of their families and lands.