It's ok with me. Lets look at what we have so far:Don Roley said:I would agree. But Stephen Hayes seemed to think that in order to make what he wrote more understandable to an American audience, he would have to add in material for them. .
*Book is published with SKH and Hatsumi Sensei as Authors;
*Book cites a direct definition by Hatsumi Sensei of what constitutes Ninjutsu;
*Book also cites documents passed on to Hatsumi Sensei, by his teacher and 33 Soke, regarding the connection of or the Chinese influence(s) on Ninjutsu and Japanese Culture;
*Referenced pages are posted on Bujinkan South Africa's website under a caption - History of Ninjutsu;
*Referenced website list Masaaki Hatsumi as the Author;
*Kaith asks for certain definitions - one being "Ninjutsu," the other being a title for this subheading;
*sojobow, being so well loved in this forum section and subsection, submits a definition of Ninjutsu as he has not been suspended in the past couple of days;
*Definition of Ninjutsu is gleaned directly from literature directly attributed to Hatsumi Sensei, Founder of the Bujinkan school and Soke of all schools within the "Bujinkan" and who should actually KNOW what the definition of what constitutes a portion of his own style;
*This Soke/Founder also list another source - his own teacher and the person passing to this Soke at least 9 other schools, ryus, ryuhas or whatever;
*Now, we are to believe that the only one who knows what Ninjutsu is is actually the Soke of the 9 schools and Founder of the 10th because his students posting here evidently don't know;
*To cover up that they don't know, they want us to disregard 2 Soke, 3 Founders, other Soke-quoted references and good-ol sojobow;
*Now, due to the sojobow-submitted definition(s), Kaith has a direct definition of Ninjutsu from the Founder and Soke of an "authentic" Japanese organization and it-ain't-good-enough. Then to add to this, another poster starts debating Suzuki Motorcycles and their Sword-making divisions;
*But the Budo Taijutsu practioner posting here can't seem to present to administration any other definition but (to paraphrase) "Ninjutsu is what the Bujinkan, Genbukan, and some other offspring do." "And don't believe the Book that Masaaki Hatsumi authored cause it ain't written in Japanese"
*Still no definitions submitted as requested - other than "it whatever we do."
*when all else fails, go back to post #66 by that guy we all love to hate.
I take back my previous statement about you guys not being any fun. Truth is, you Budo Taijutsu guys posting here are a barrel of fun stuff. Gotta luv em Now, I'm really having fun and learning a lot.
Come on guys. It's really simple. Fill in the Blanks: "Ninjutsu is the art of _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ."
(yep, I'm hooked on phonix too)