- Jan 4, 2007
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- Auckland, New Zealand
Lifting weights is a healthy thing. If it's something that's boring for you then play some good music while you work out. Add some enjoyment to you. Ten 3 minute songs = 30 minutes of working out. Make it to that last song that should be something you really want to hear. You have to do something to get out of that perception that you have about physical activity.I foresee the gym will be a drag, close to the nightmare PE was at school. I cannot picture myself lifting weights just because; if I did it so as to improve some aspect of my performance at Taekwondo,
Buy a resistance band. I don't know how you got hurt lifting that. It makes me think you were lifting incorrectly or doing something that isn't good to do with weight. If that's not it then you may need to see a doctor to see if something physically or medically that is not allowing your body to handle such a weight.if I spend one month rupturing myself with a one kilo dumbbell in each hand without being able to move on to two-kilo ones, should I assume I'll never go back to the dojo?
You may have a back injury. Sometimes when you injure your back it will affect your leg. Saying that you can't sit straight makes me think that you have a back injury.And, on top of all this, the pain in the back of my leg which prompted all this is killing me. I can't even sit straight. All for nothing.
being honest when i read the OP´s post i thought what the hell does he like? It´s just like he has been wrapped in cotton wool all his life. needs to man up ! Probably get comments now saying but don´t be so hard...blah..blah... outside the world is not so caring.Lifting weights is a healthy thing.
Well hopefully this video will be of use for that 1 press up.being honest when i read the OP´s post i thought what the hell does he like? It´s just like he has been wrapped in cotton wool all his life. needs to man up ! Probably get comments now saying but don´t be so hard...blah..blah... outside the world is not so caring.
just my take on it
I actually had more time for overweight people in the gym who were motivated than people forced by their health insurance to do it. I remember a woman who in our talk before training said the health insurance are paying for my membership as she was very overweight, high blood pressure. Her face on the running machine (she was walking at a slight incline). She showed her disgust at having to do it. She never came back. However when I had people like a 40 year old guy, who at 39 had a heart attack and was sent to us. I felt really bad for him. He was slim and looked fit on the outside. Was really depressed, was on medication for his heart and depression. He was happy to be helped and made great improvements. Different people, Different mentalities. Taking my own advice myself upping my cardio. Come summer I want to be running in the woods again. Cycling is going well and my Quads are firming up. Tight Buns on the squats...like a sex machine baby ...hahaWell hopefully this video will be of use for that 1 press up.
being honest when i read the OP´s post i thought what the hell does he like? It´s just like he has been wrapped in cotton wool all his life. needs to man up ! Probably get comments now saying but don´t be so hard...blah..blah... outside the world is not so caring.
just my take on it
Good points about having a partner to workout with.Here is another point for the OP...maybe he needs a training partner to encourage him. I used to run with people who were better runners than me to kick my ***. A good friend sadly move to Denmark..Well was good for him as he met a woman. He did Marathons, iron man and believe me it was hard for me training with him as I've never been a top runner..maybe above average but not in his League. However because he was Ultra keen he would turn up at my home..regardless of the weather. Running gear on let's do it !
I miss the runs, cycling together and the comradship it gives you. So maybe after all this rambling the OP needs a Partner.
And right here in this thread we have demonstrated the point of finding the right school for the right person. The whole thing falls apart without the right match of student to teacher.I just wanted to know whether you can't get in good shape by doing TKD little by little, as I had come to expect, or if it's really necessary to get in good shape before doing TKD, which would actually get rid of the reason to take up TWD in the first place). But I won't have anyone saying I've lived wrapped in cotton all my life and all I wanted was having my ego caressed. If not liking physical activity and being bad at it means not being macho enough, well, that's it. I couldn't care less if some people believe so. It's almost a compliment.
Firstly, I’d like to commend you for the physical and mental effort it takes to go in and push your way through class despite not having the conditioning or coordination that your fellow students have. It’s not easy to make yourself show up and do the work when you don’t have the habit of working out and aren’t getting the immediate positive feedback of seeing rapid progress.
Secondly, I’d like to say that by asking you to quit, your TKD instructor was just showing his limitations as a teacher. Your original goal of getting in shape gradually by doing an enjoyable activity such as martial arts is completely reasonable and realistic.
I’m 57 years old, the same as you, and like you I am on the bottom of the bell curve distribution in terms of natural coordination and athleticism. The only difference is that I was lucky enough to start training and fall in love with martial arts 40 years ago, when my body could recover from workouts and injuries a bit quicker. These days I think I can realistically evaluate myself as an above average martial artist, just by virtue of having kept at it despite the lack of natural ability.
I do think that unless you live in a very small town with limited options in terms of schools, you should be able to find a martial arts instructor who has the right attitude and experience to help an out of shape late starter like yourself get into shape and develop skills you can be proud of. There have been plenty of people older and more out of shape than you who have made that journey. Speaking as a martial arts instructor, I would be happy to help you along that path if you were in my gym, and there are plenty of other instructors out there who can do the same.
If you do decide to spend some time in the gym as a supplement to martial arts training, I would suggest that it might be worth paying for some sessions with a personal trainer who can teach you good form and help you set realistic progression goals. There is absolutely no reason for you to “spend one month rupturing myself with a one kilo dumbbell in each hand without being able to move on to two-kilo ones”. You shouldn’t be ”rupturing” yourself with weights and you absolutely be able to see progress in your first month of weight lifting. But sometimes you need some expert guidance to set you on the right track.
You have given us a lot to unpack here.Hello everyone,
It's not a happy day for me, but I've decided to join the forum and ask for your opinions before labelling it a disastrous one. I'm very sorry to be writing so much in my first post here, but I'm really upset, and maybe I need letting off steam as much as I need advice.
I had my first Taekwondo lesson in September, when I was 56. I'm 57 now. All my life, I've been s*** when it comes to physical activity. I know having negative thoughts about oneself is not good, but I've found that being realistic as far as one's limitations are concerned saves lots of frustration. At school, I was the worst in PE class. I had little strength, endurance, speed, flexibility, stamina, and close to no coordination. I've never been able to do a single press-up in all my life. I dreaded running towards the vaulting horse, knowing I'd never be able to jump it. I was so scared of dangling from the wall bars that I would end up dropping to the ground when my weak sweaty hands would no longer hold me.
Saying that I didn't like physical exercise would be putting it mildly. However, my parents put me down for the school's basketball team and, clumsy as I was, I enjoyed the training sessions twice a week. But I was so bad at it that when we went to play against other schools on Saturdays, the manager wouldn't let me play, not even when only five of us showed up for the game. A team of four was better than a team of five including me (the manager's professional ethics might be the subject of another discussion, but it's not something that bothers me, and even then I saw it as normal). I blundered my way through ir for four years, and then I didn't do any sport at all until I went to university. There, I joined the rugby team for three years. I knew I wasn't going anywhere, but I saw them during training sessions, and they seemed to have fun... So I joined, and I had fun, too. This is when I realised how badly the basketball manager had behaved. In the rugby team, those who trained harder and showed more interest would play all the games, even if they weren't good. What I usually did is claim I was very tired (and I wasn't lying) and ask for a change during the intermission, knowing it would be good for the team, and also good for me (I can't deny that, much as I enjoyed training, I was terrified during the games, whenever I saw one of these giants running towards me).
I was 21 when I quit, and then I didn't do any type of sport until I was 45 or 46. At that point, I realised that my perpetual "off-formness" was getting even more serious when I saw I wasn't able to cut my toenails any longer (I'm 5'7" and weigh 183 pounds, with rolls of fat, though I like loose clothes and people seem to think I'm in good shape when they see me - I've always been sort of "high-density", even when I was slim as a teenager, but I'm clearly overweight now, though I wouldn't say I'm obese). Someone suggested that I did some Pilates. I hated every minute of it. I felt as if in the school gym again. But I knew I needed to do something, and I know things don't come easy, least of all for me, so I endured that absolute torture for one year and five months, but gave up when I saw it was taking its toll on my morale. I work long hours, so finding the time to go to the gym on weekdays was really a feat for me, and some days I came out of there almost with tears in my eyes, on wasting my time on something I loathed.
Funnily for someone so little sport-oriented as me, the idea of Taekwondo started going around my head about six years ago, when I met a young boy who competed at a national level; we were workmates for some time, and I got to hear a lot about what he did. Somehow I thought I might like it. But I quickly discarded it, because I saw it more or less as feasible as becoming an astronaut. However, last year was an extremely demanding one at work. It left me close to a nervous breakdown, and I decided I had to do something with my life instead of just working all day. I don't like doing sport, but I thought that it would be good for my health, and it would allow me doing something different, even if it meant taking those hours from my sleep (with my job and my housework, which I must do myself, I have absolutely no free time except on Saturday evenings and Sundays). Then I remembered Taekwondo.
I read lots of things on the internet. Everybody says one can start martial arts at any age, as long as you go at your own pace and don't try to do things as quickly as others. This sounded great: with my background, I'm very conscious that I'll need five years to achieve what others do in one. But I didn't (don't) mind. So I enrolled in classes last September.
I've been doing two sessions a week since then (I cannot afford to spend more time doing it). And I thought it was fun from the very beginning. It's true that after the five-to-ten-minute warm-up I'm already in a terrible condition, ready to go and have a shower, but I bravely go on, trying to do things as well as I can (which is not very well, of course). While other people who started at the same time as me (a couple of them in their forties) are able to kick at chest level, I still seem to be intent on proving that a kick in the crotch is the best method of self-defence. But I didn't mind. And neither did I mind being the only one who wouldn't be doing the test for yellow belt in December. Well, I don't even have a white belt, actually, since the instructor said we the "elderly" shouldn't buy a dobok until we knew we were going to carry on doing Taekwondo; little by little, he told other students to buy theirs, but after almost three months I'm the only one wearing a T-shirt and tracksuit trousers (this was the only thing I wasn't completely happy about, as I thought I would be less noticeable if I dressed like the rest). Anyway, as I said, I was having a very good time, even having already tasted that life is not a bowl of cherries when I was kicked on the face when failing to dodge someone's foot quickly enough (no tooth was broken, I was able to swallow all the blood, and my swollen lip wasn't seen because of the mask, so not even the instructor noticed anything and I didn't kick up a fuss).
Everything was going well until today. I don't have any technique to speak of, but I've done one of my pseudo-kicks today worse than usual, and I've felt a pain in the back of my leg. I finished the session, had a shower, and when I was limping my way out of the gym, the instructor called me and told me I should stop doing Taekwondo and start doing workouts in the gym instead. I asked whether that meant improving my shape before returning to the dojo, and he said "More or less". Then I asked him how much he'd think it might take, and he answered "These things last a lifetime". I would have thought that after seeing me struggling for almost three months he had realised that I'm in no hurry, but I've found his answer very discouraging.
I'm aware that I cannot do any sport unless I'm more or less fit. But I had hoped I'd get fit by learning Taekwondo, little by little. I can understand how once you reach a certain level, working out at the gym will help you increase your strength, or agility, or whatever. But I cannot help having the impression that I've been dumped. I foresee the gym will be a drag, close to the nightmare PE was at school. I cannot picture myself lifting weights just because; if I did it so as to improve some aspect of my performance at Taekwondo, I think I'd do it gladly. Maybe knowing that at some point I'll be allowed to return to the Taekwondo lessons might be enough, I don't know. But I suspect that's not going to be the case. I believe I'll end up not reaching the level required to take up Taekwondo again, and while I would enjoy the process of struggling with my mock-Taekwondo with the idea of getting a yellow belt some day, I don't think I'll enjoy the process of sweating at the gym doing things I don't like with little prospect of doing Taekwondo afterwards.
I'm feeling very depressed now. I've never liked sports like running, swimming or doing gymnastics in general. Other sports are more appealing to me, though not all, but I know I'm very bad at them. And, anyway, where I live there's not much to choose from. I've never minded being reminded of how bad I am, because I knew it was true. And when just for once I find the courage to decide I'm going to devote the free time I don't really have to trying to get a bit fitter while having fun, even knowing I will never really succeed, and I find that I actually have fun doing it, I'm told to quit. In normal conditions I can only sleep six hours a day. On the two days I went to Taekwondo, I went to bed almost one hour later than usual. I've been doing it gladly, but I don't think I can do the same to go to the gym. All I wanted was to do something I like in the middle of a life I don't like at all, and now I'll be adding two hours a week of something I dislike. And thinking of getting healthier doesn't make it worth it, I'm sad to say. When I was young, I never noticed any improvement in speed, endurance, strength and all the rest, so I'm afraid I won't notice it now, in the same way I didn't notice it in the almost one year and a half I attended Pilates classes. And what I was looking for when I enrolled in the Taekwondo lessons wasn't getting fitter (though, of course, that was a bonus), but being happier.
Of course, I know you cannot tell me much without knowing or seeing me but, from what you've seen around you, what would you recommend? Should I quit the gym and devote those two hours a week to sleeping, as I did before, or to painting lessons, which I'd also like trying? Is there any way I can measure my (supposed) progress in the gym? I mean, if I spend one month rupturing myself with a one kilo dumbbell in each hand without being able to move on to two-kilo ones, should I assume I'll never go back to the dojo? Are all those blogs and website lying when they say anyone can try Taekwondo at any age? I know all of you would recommend doing exercise in any case, because of good health and all that, but I don't want to go back to the depressive mood I had after Pilates. With this lack of motivation, I know I'll never return after Christmas.
And, on top of all this, the pain in the back of my leg which prompted all this is killing me. I can't even sit straight. All for nothing.
Thanks for reading this far, if you did.
There is a place in TKD for people of any age. It just may not be in competitions.At the age of 56, TKD may not be the most suitable style for you.
I often tell people that martial arts is one of the most selfish things one can do. I don't mean it in a bad way. But it's the only activity that I know where it's fun to be in a group, but the goal is to focus entirely on yourself. Nothing else matters, no one else matters. The world just melts away.I say this a lot but the coolest thing about the martial arts is that is it an individual activity a person does with a group.
I truly don't think MA is for everybody. A friend of mine told his wife that MA is his 1st wife and she is only his 2nd wife. How many people will treat MA training as the highest priority in their life?I often tell people that martial arts is one of the most selfish things one can do.
No, that's silly. You don't get in shape so you can start to train. You get in shape BECAUSE you started training.Look man, I'm not a touchy feely guy so this may sting a little. You've got to do a better job at doing your homework before you join a certain style. If you're 57 and in that poor a shape, you need to work on your conditioning and stretching before you get into a style like teakwondo. That's reality.
So true. There are lots of options.Secondly, there are other options besides TKD or the gym. If martial arts speaks to you, look around.
Spoken like one who knows nothing about TKD. TKD is a martial art.Firstly TKD is a *sport*,