The Slow Lie
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Weights are like fertilizer. It may make your plant more durable, but it does not teach your plants Karate.
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Fighting is physical. There is no magical escape from that idea.
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I didn't say it wasn't ok, am saying they don't help you punch, or kick your opponent anymore than actually punching and kicking a bag, or a partner.
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Depends upon what weight strengthening one does. Strengthening the proper muscles that one punches and kicks with will help greatly.
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Martial Arts circles which is you! You are always citing others
Well a whole bunch of people on this forum plus whoever those guys were smashing the weights in that thread I linked.
And that was without bothering to find my own links to the benefits of strength training.
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I doubt curling a dumbbell will help with your punches, but curl away.
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I doubt curling a dumbbell will help with your punches, but curl away.
Martial arts strength training
A wing chun article on strength training. Just in case you think conditioning only exists for sports fighters.
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How many times do I have to tell you, I don't have a problem with weight lifting. I just know it doesn't increase your speed. Stamina, maybe, but not speed.
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In fact, I will attest that dropping French and taking a weight lifting class, in high school, was probably one of the smartest things I have ever done. The job I do requires that skill, and I am one of the only people running around, there, that is all gimped up from a lifting injury. That being said, it didn't make me any faster.
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How many times do I have to tell you, I don't have a problem with weight lifting. I just know it doesn't increase your speed. Stamina, maybe, but not speed.
Ok. And how do you know it doesn't increase speed?
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In fact, I will attest that dropping French and taking a weight lifting class, in high school, was probably one of the smartest things I have ever done. The job I do requires that skill, and I am one of the only people running around, there, that is all gimped up from a lifting injury. That being said, it didn't make me any faster.
It makes sprinters faster.
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Intersting choice of article, Drop. Indeed, Wing Chun is one of the arts where there is a lot of resistance to typical weight lifting exercises since some lineages place such great emphasis on relaxation in power generation. Back when I was lifting I did find that getting a bit bulkier did interfere with my quickness in drills like Chi Sau. Part of that is they way I was lifting. Curls, as TOD mentioned, were not helpful in WC. Basically we need to develop othe muscles used in extending our punches more. But on the other hand, bulgy biceps look so cool.
Another problem with developing more mass is that you have more inertia. Great for driving power, but not so good for drills like Chi-Sau that require "sensitivity" and the ability to move with your opponent's ent's energy, feeling for oppenings and making quick changes to penetrate his defences without resorting to "crashing force". However, it's good to remember that Chi-Sau is just a training exercise. An important one, but still just a drill. People seem to forget that WC, like any martial art, is ultimately about fighting. And strength is very helpful. And strength training is part of WC
Well that's all history now. Lately all I've got is a bulgy gut. And I can fight better than ever ...as long as its only on a keyboard!
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I guess, being a musician myself, I'm pretty firmly in the camp of "go slow to perfect the small details as much as possible before speeding up."
I see so many kids/teens in classes that fly through their practice (lazy loose fists, poor stances, no power behind strikes and blocks, etc...). I guess I just don't see any upside to not first taking everything a step at a time to make sure everything is as correct as possible.
Yeah, you'd want to be fast in a real combat situation, but if that was the case, I'm going to use what I AM fast and comfortable with. I'm not going to try a fancy take-down I'm not comfortable practicing.
I see so many kids/teens in classes that fly through their practice (lazy loose fists, poor stances, no power behind strikes and blocks, etc...). I guess I just don't see any upside to not first taking everything a step at a time to make sure everything is as correct as possible.
Yeah, you'd want to be fast in a real combat situation, but if that was the case, I'm going to use what I AM fast and comfortable with. I'm not going to try a fancy take-down I'm not comfortable practicing.
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The same result in music can be achieved by playing at normal speed, but stopping and re-starting, from the beginning, at each mistake, but as you are talking about the learning phase, and I am talking about something a bit different.
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I think I mentioned the type of weight lifting that increases speed, and bench pressing, ain't one of them.
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I think I mentioned the type of weight lifting that increases speed, and bench pressing, ain't one of them.
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The trouble arises when people believe that speed...training at speed...and training specifically to become faster is somehow bad because... "slow is smooth".
That mindset is flat wrong.
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Its in the same neighborhood as "weight training will make me bulky/slow/less dependent on technique... Etc.
Its all based more on myth and anecdotes than it is on exercise science that seems fairly well proven.
If you train withHow many times do I have to tell you, I don't have a problem with weight lifting. I just know it doesn't increase your speed. Stamina, maybe, but not speed.
- "explosive/exponential" speed with your weight, you will increase your speed.
- "constant" speed with your weight, you won't increase your speed.
