The Bible, Faith & Martial Arts

[Dirty Dog]

Also for the record I've never once said the Bible was 100% accurate. I believe I said it was written by men recalling what they saw heard were told and witnessed. It's inspired by God who guided the authors but as I said a few pages ago the finer details could be lost to time and translation but the main points are correct. Just like if I were to write about my day I may leave out or get minor details wrong but the general story will be correct. Which is also why we study the bible and other texts and documents from the time. To learn the context and meaning. You keep making the claim that I said the Bible is 100% and I never said that. Nothing could ever give you 100% Accra te details other then I guess a video camera recording Jesus himself which we don't have. I do however know the general gist of the Bible to be correct.

I am aware who said what. In this thread, it was oftheheard who claimed that the bible is 100% literal truth. But it's certainly a common enough assertion, and since we were not in a private conversation, my comments were and are less specific than they would be in private.

If your position is that the bible is a text written in the context of the culture it was written for, then I have no argument. I'd say that is pretty much the only rational way to view it.
As a social contract, the 10 commandments make a lot of sense. And there are plenty of other parts of the Christian bible that make sense. Just as there are plenty of things in the Torah and the Koran and the teachings of Odin that make sense.

There is also plenty in each of them that is complete nonsense, or at least complete nonsense in THIS culture.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Sure. How about the claim that bats are mammals? That leprosy has something to do with being "unclean"? That disease is a punishment from god? That Jesus rose from the dead (making him either the first "documented" zombie or vampire...)? That Noah somehow managed to fit 2 of every species on earth in a wooden ship? That a god (with or without long white beard) exists?

Here's some more:

Old Testament oddities - RationalWiki

 

[ballen0351]

Here's some more:

Old Testament oddities - RationalWiki

Nonsense that's someone that hasn't read or research what he's posting

 

[ballen0351]

I am aware who said what. In this thread, it was oftheheard who claimed that the bible is 100% literal truth. But it's certainly a common enough assertion, and since we were not in a private conversation, my comments were and are less specific than they would be in private.

There is a difference between 100% true and being a true document. The general gist is true the eyewitness accounts are true. The finer detail may be fuzzy.

If your position is that the bible is a text written in the context of the culture it was written for, then I have no argument. I'd say that is pretty much the only rational way to view it.

I'm not saying it should be disregard as antiquated or Irrelevent in modern times. The teaching are still very relevant

As a social contract, the 10 commandments make a lot of sense. And there are plenty of other parts of the Christian bible that make sense. Just as there are plenty of things in the Torah and the Koran and the teachings of Odin that make sense.

Except there are no eyewitness accounts of Odin ever walking the earth there is plenty of evidence showing Jesus was here.

There is also plenty in each of them that is complete nonsense, or at least complete nonsense in THIS culture.

There is plenty in modern day existence that we can't make sense of. Just because it doesn't make sense doest mean it didn't happen. Humans coming from matter+time+chance is just as nonsensical as what the Bible says happened but one of them is correct you have your belief and I have mine

 

[RTKDCMB]

Nonsense that's someone that hasn't read or research what he's posting

Funny but.

 

[ballen0351]

Funny but.

If you say so

 

[Cirdan]

There is plenty in modern day existence that we can't make sense of. Just because it doesn't make sense doest mean it didn't happen. Humans coming from matter+time+chance is just as nonsensical as what the Bible says happened but one of them is correct you have your belief and I have mine

Actually we came from the apes. Here, have a banana. Ook ook!

 

[ballen0351]

Actually we came from the apes. Here, have a banana. Ook ook!

And apes came from where?

 

[crushing]

And apes came from where?

If you are truly curious, The Ancestor's Tale makes for good and interesting reading on this very subject.

 

[ballen0351]

If you are truly curious, The Ancestor's Tale makes for good and interesting reading on this very subject.

Not really time+chance+matter is all the same no matter who authors the book. It's all the same. And nobody can say where matter and time came from and thinking we are all just here by chance I don't agree with

 

[crushing]

Not really time+chance+matter is all the same no matter who authors the book. It's all the same. And nobody can say where matter and time came from and thinking we are all just here by chance I don't agree with

You asked where apes came from.

 

[ballen0351]

You asked where apes came from.

I know where apes came from I was asking his opinion since he claimed we came from apes and to go eat a banana

 

[Touch Of Death]

And apes came from where?

Just for clarification, Evolutionary science does not claim man evolved from and ape, for just the reason you allude to, but they do claim a common ancestor.

 

[Touch Of Death]

I know where apes came from I was asking his opinion since he claimed we came from apes and to go eat a banana

First we were in the goo, then we were in a Zoo, and now... you're you.

 

[ballen0351]

Just for clarification, Evolutionary science does not claim man evolved from and ape, for just the reason you allude to, but they do claim a common ancestor.

I didn't make the claim someone else did. I was asking them to expand

 

[ballen0351]

First we were in the goo, then we were in a Zoo, and now... you're you.

And where did the goo come from?

 

[Touch Of Death]

And where did the goo come from?

53 miles west of Venus. ... But seriously, why does it have to come from anywhere but Earth?

 

[ballen0351]

53 miles west of Venus. ... But seriously, why does it have to come from anywhere but Earth?

So it was magic? It just appeared huh.....oh and
Where did earth come from.

 

[Touch Of Death]

So it was magic? It just appeared huh.....oh and
Where did earth come from.

Debris from the big bang. Is this a trick question?

 

[ballen0351]

Debris from the big bang. Is this a trick question?

No trick question. Where did the big bang come from. For your theory to work matter had to come from someplace. Unless of course God put it there