Some MA teachers only teach form without application?

There is a certain amount of endless repetition that is required before sparring will be useful. How long did you train Hung Gar?
One year. But the other seniors who were there even longer than me never sparred either nor did they punch or kick sandbags or pads. Endless repetition will lead nowhere for the seniors if they are not allowed to spar. In fact one of the students even joined my new school on his own without even knowing I was there.
 
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One year. But the other seniors who were there even longer than me never sparred either nor did they punch or kick sandbags or pads. Endless repetition will lead nowhere for the seniors if they are not allowed to spar. In fact one of the students even joined my new school on his own without even knowing I was there.
I don’t doubt you or what you say but my Sifu never let anyone spar until at least 18 months of consistent training. Some people never got invited to advanced class or sparring due to lack of consistency in effort.
 
I don’t doubt you or what you say but my Sifu never let anyone spar until at least 18 months of consistent training. Some people never got invited to advanced class or sparring due to lack of consistency in effort.
First of all sorry for replying this late but I just remembered something. Those students who stayed for more than 18 months never sparred either. I can accept not sparring though but I was never told in which guard position or which stance to take when facing an opponent. Not forgetting the lack of punching bags available and me having to go home and punch the wall instead. No realistic drills either. It's nothing personal against you but I will never forgive my shifu for all the garbage lessons which caused me to endure humiliation twice at the hands of two different people at two different times. In the new martial art I joined,sparring was already available after three months.
 
I was never told in which guard position or which stance to take when facing an opponent.
MA is not for solo training. The most fun part of the MA training is to be able to act properly to your opponent's respond. When you throw a punch and your opponent blocks, you change your punching hand into a grab/pull. This will open your opponent's center for your next attack. If you can do that 80% successfully, you have developed a valuable MA skill there.

I still remember when my long fist teacher was a car mechanic, we sparred in his garage. He would let 1 student to attack and 1 student to defend. I learned "how to move my head to dodge a punch" from sparring that I could never learn from any solo training.

Without sparring, it takes away the most fun part of the MA training.
 
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MA is not for solo training.
It's a pity that solo training is exactly what a large part of our training was made up of. Perform the form, queue up, perform the form again and then keep repeating those two until the class finishes. 🤮
 
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It's a pity that solo training is exactly what a large part of our training was made up of. Perform the form, queue up, perform the form again and then keep repeating those two until the class finishes. 🤮
MA training involve 4 parts:

1. Developing - through partner training.
2. Testing - through sparring/wrestling.
3. Polishing - through solo form training.
4. Enhancing - through weight, bag, equipment training.

Unfortunately, most people start from 3 (polishing) while they have nothing to polish for because they haven't developed anything yet.

Which one should go first?

1. Learn solo form first and then learn application later.
2. Learn application first and then map application into solo drill.

I believe 2 is much better than 1.
 
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First of all sorry for replying this late but I just remembered something. Those students who stayed for more than 18 months never sparred either. I can accept not sparring though but I was never told in which guard position or which stance to take when facing an opponent. Not forgetting the lack of punching bags available and me having to go home and punch the wall instead. No realistic drills either. It's nothing personal against you but I will never forgive my shifu for all the garbage lessons which caused me to endure humiliation twice at the hands of two different people at two different times. In the new martial art I joined,sparring was already available after three months.
No problem, all teachers and schools vary. Mine was rough, but only for the invited. Beginner students were not even allowed to be present during advanced classes. 18 years old and up. Sparring equipment was light gloves, mouth guard and cup. No head gear. Full speed, full power, 1 minute rounds, often with 2vs1. Polished, waxed concrete floors with cotton soled slippers. Not for the faint of heart. Sparring in advanced classes required attending the regular class directly before hand.
 
MA training involve 4 parts:

1. Developing - through partner training.
2. Testing - through sparring/wrestling.
3. Polishing - through solo form training.
4. Enhancing - through weight, bag, equipment training.

Unfortunately, most people start from 3 (polishing) while they have nothing to polish for because they haven't developed anything yet.

Which one should go first?

1. Learn solo form first and then learn application later.
2. Learn application first and then map application into solo drill.

I believe 2 is much better than 1.
We disagree here. Application first can teach sloppy technique without building strong foundational solo skill.
 
Long periods of solo training is the only way I know to turn yin into yang.
 
We disagree here. Application first can teach sloppy technique without building strong foundational solo skill.
Of course, the best choice is for those who can fight, he also has good foundation.

In case that is hard to achieve, which one is better?

A guy who:

1. can fight, but he has bad foundation.
2. has good foundation, but he can't fight.

The concern is when one is old, he can still polish/enhance his foundation. It may be hard for him to develop/test his MA skill at his old age.

My favor joke is when one is

- in jail, he will have all the time in the world to train his horse stance.
- dead, he will have all the time in the world to develop his inner peace.
 
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Long periods of solo training is the only way I know to turn yin into yang.
Since it's impossible to have training partner 24/7, 95% of our time are spending on form/bag/weight (foundation) training.
 
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