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Hey.... BTW ... what are you doing invading "MY" Q & A Thread...... go start your own...... geeze can't keep people out of your backyard these days...................... lol

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Ok now that that is settled........ any new questions...... anyone?

Sheesh, what a grouch!
 
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Sheesh, what a grouch!

LOL, man talk about a delayed response (hey that could be a new technique) LOL, only 6 months after the original post...... Man if it takes that long to get to the post this must be sub par IV, omg lmao I make funny

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LOL, man talk about a delayed response (hey that could be a new technique) LOL, only 6 months after the original post...... Man if it takes that long to get to the post this must be sub par IV, omg lmao I make funny

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For some reason I don't always get notification of responses, and ultimately just stumble upon replies.

Besides, you've been a grouch longer than a mere six months anyway.
 
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For some reason I don't always get notification of responses, and ultimately just stumble upon replies.

Besides, you've been a grouch longer than a mere six months anyway.

Oh ok, you say that here......... Besides, Oscar is NOT my name!!

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No they don't. that was a marketing strategy put forth by the gracies to sell their brand of competition "judo" they call Brazilian jiujitsu.



Same answer. the American culture does not fight on the ground, particularly in adulthood.



The length of the fight is irrelevent to the question of "mounting."



Really not true. Mr. Parker felt that grappling" had been thoroughly explored. He knew that a grappler in a competition venue was a formidable opponent because that's all they train for from day one, but he too was an accomplished grappler from the Dan Zan Ryu System of Henry Okazaki. Chow too was a "mat specialist" who loved to grapple as well.

Parker felt the real area to explore was how NOT to go to the ground and we came up with some very interesting stuff.

In the American culture of stand up fighting, there exists an unwritten rule that suggest if two guys go down, they will disengage, stand up, and start over. Everyone knows and understands the consequences of being on the ground whether you're winning or not. Losing is but a bystander and a boot away. In my adult experience, I have rarely seen two adult men wrestling around on the ground who were not both drunk. The Gracies did one hell of a sales job. I hear that all the time, until I ask the question, "When is the last time you saw two men not drunk wrestling on the ground?"

Thanks so much for these responses, Doc! I've been responding similarly to the same statement for a long time. I grew up street fighting in a rough town. I was a police officer in a rough area for many years and fought very often (sounds familiar to you I would assume). I'm no grappling expert by any means, but things went to the ground when I chose to take them there. If you are in Brazil I would assume a lot more fights go to the ground since groundfighting is so prevalent there. We are indeed a different culture and historically our fighting is not ground-based.
 

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Doc, While one cannot deny some of the comments you have made, you must agree the times have changed a bit. You walk into any MMA gym and there are plenty of people training, good and bad. That skill will eventually make it to the street. The same way traditional styles became obsolete when street fighting became unconditional warfare with now honor. While many fight scenerios are stand up, others end on the ground. My goal has always been to stand up! Kenpo has helped me do that.
 

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Doc, While one cannot deny some of the comments you have made, you must agree the times have changed a bit. You walk into any MMA gym and there are plenty of people training, good and bad. That skill will eventually make it to the street. The same way traditional styles became obsolete when street fighting became unconditional warfare with now honor. While many fight scenerios are stand up, others end on the ground. My goal has always been to stand up! Kenpo has helped me do that.

Actually sir, times haven't changed all that much. We are in the third coming of grappling, and none of it is new. I watched Gene "Judo" LeBell become a world champion over at the Olympic Auditorium when grappling was at its heyday in the fifties. Every kid on the block, and every "bad dude" was Freddie Blassie in the sixties, and the pretty boys thought they were "Gorgeous George," whom even Muhammad Ali emulated. But much like the "Kung Fu" craze of the seventies where every kid was throwing kicks at each other while making "cat-like" kiai's, when it came time to put your own *** on the line in a real fight, everybody let that stuff go in favor of standup punching and now have adding kicking, and nobody on offense or defense ever wanted to go to the ground. Near as I can see, it hasn't changed at all on the street. Nobody is a tough guy on the ground holding onto one guy while others are standing over him who he doesn't know. That "uneasy" feeling in a fight gives way to sheer panic under those circumstances. In all my years of professional law enforcement on the street, I've never seen any difference between before or after the latest craze, whatever it happened to be sir.
 

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Actually sir, times haven't changed all that much. We are in the third coming of grappling, and none of it is new. I watched Gene "Judo" LeBell become a world champion over at the Olympic Auditorium when grappling was at its heyday in the fifties. Every kid on the block, and every "bad dude" was Freddie Blassie in the sixties, and the pretty boys thought they were "Gorgeous George," whom even Muhammad Ali emulated. But much like the "Kung Fu" craze of the seventies where every kid was throwing kicks at each other while making "cat-like" kiai's, when it came time to put your own *** on the line in a real fight, everybody let that stuff go in favor of standup punching and now have adding kicking, and nobody on offense or defense ever wanted to go to the ground. Near as I can see, it hasn't changed at all on the street. Nobody is a tough guy on the ground holding onto one guy while others are standing over him who he doesn't know. That "uneasy" feeling in a fight gives way to sheer panic under those circumstances. In all my years of professional law enforcement on the street, I've never seen any difference between before or after the latest craze, whatever it happened to be sir.


Doc, do not get me wrong, my goal (as a 6'7' dude) is to keep my height and reach advantage. I do not want to go to the ground, but comparing Judo/grappling to today's ground and pound, is like comparing a revolver to an automatic. The mindset of the individual also is much different today. And keep in mind the craze is still at its infancy. MMA fighters are combining all aspects of the arts, not just grapling. There can be a one on one situation on the streets. There will not always be others around.

As always Sir, a pleasure discussing topics with you.
 

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I read the 30 first pages of this thread and indeed got wiser - i know its from 2002 - but i hope goldendragon still answars questions?

My questions is : When you teach short two how indepth do you go? Could you explain some of the more esoteric knowledge you have concerning this form? Just a little something off the wall that will get me thinking.

Hope to receive your respond - thanks

Nikolaj
 
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