Natsukashii (Nostalgia)

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I came across this video the other day…
The setting, hairstyles etc made me feel very… ‘natsukashii’. But the ‘Karate’ and the means of teaching it seem very strange indeed and the ‘philosophy’ was certainly not Zen and appears to be a string of words without any meaning…🤔…maybe it was Zen!

If you read the comments, you’ll see Tony Dukes past away at the age of 59 (RIP) and was, in later life considered a Karate fraud; McKarate, if you will. It was easier to get away with it in those days without the scrutiny of the Internet.
 
I came across this video the other day…
The setting, hairstyles etc made me feel very… ‘natsukashii’. But the ‘Karate’ and the means of teaching it seem very strange indeed and the ‘philosophy’ was certainly not Zen and appears to be a string of words without any meaning…🤔…maybe it was Zen!

If you read the comments, you’ll see Tony Dukes past away at the age of 59 (RIP) and was, in later life considered a Karate fraud; McKarate, if you will. It was easier to get away with it in those days without the scrutiny of the Internet.
Watched a few minutes of it the other day out of nostalgic curiosity when it popped up on my YouTube feed.
The karate looks pretty legitimate.
Not sure about all the Eastern philosophy mumbo-jumbo, though.
 
Do you think so? I didn’t at all, especially the stuff he didn’t solo…but you won’t’ve seen that.

Yeah…proper syncretic nonsense.
Yep.
It’s about as good as you’d probably get in 1974 from a Westerner.
The students are disciplined and you can see a consistency in their techniques.
The instructor is certainly no Kanazawa or Enoeda like the JKA sent to the UK, but I do believe he was probably doing his level best with what he had to work with.

I’m not certain how old you are, but remember, this (see photos) was what most folks were limited to unless you were fortunate enough to live near someone with extensive real training and a solid institutional support system.

I was 17 in 1985, the start of the peak of the Japanese Boom/Craze in the USA, and by accident, fairly exposed to Japanese culture because I was dating a Japanese girl for a year before I ever saw a human being in a karate gi in person.
There just wasn’t a lot to work with back then and it certainly cannot be compared to the level of instruction that can be more widely found today.


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Yep.
It’s about as good as you’d probably get in 1974 from a Westerner.
Exhibit A 1964😉
This looks a lot better that Tony Dukes. There are many more on Youtube.

I do generally agree with you, however. I suppose the martial arts scene was like a plum pudding; mostly stodge with the occasional spot of sweety goodness.
The students are disciplined and you can see a consistency in their techniques.
Consistently bad, but consistent, yes!
The instructor is certainly no Kanazawa or Enoeda like the JKA sent to the UK, but I do believe he was probably doing his level best with what he had to work with.
There were some teachers who were much better than Dukes in the 70s but his advantage was that nobody had any idea what was ‘good’ or at the least, competent. To witness good Karate you’d have to be lucky in finding a n advert on a newsagent’s board, travel to that club, which may have been some distance away and hope they let you watch. There were places like Liverpool’s Red Triangle Club that had excellent levels of Karate in the 60s and 70s, but few people would venture up north to investigate it, then venture in Liverpool and it’s dodgiest areas! This is how people like Dillman and his ilk, prospered in the early years, even duping Elvis, Ali and Blackbelt magazine!

But, I think most people can identify accomplishment when they see it. I know little about gymnastics, ballroom dancing or figure skating, but I recognise skillful performances. In the abomination that is Iaido competition, the judges often have to score performances from obscure schools that they’ve probably never see before (especially in Japan), the idea being they judge based upon perceived accomplishment; skillful cutting, body movements, zanshin etc should be ubiquitous in the performance of swordsmanship.
I’m not certain how old you are,
21 😑
but remember, this (see photos) was what most folks were limited to unless you were fortunate enough to live near someone with extensive real training and a solid institutional support system.
Ha ha, yes indeed! I’m sure I had a paperback version of that book with line drawings, but even then, the Karate within it’s pages bore no resemblance to what I was seeing in my dojo. The Internet does have the odd (sometimes very odd) positive aspect to it!
I was 17 in 1985,
Oh you’re very old…I was only 3 years old 😑 (we’re the same age!)
the start of the peak of the Japanese Boom/Craze in the USA, and by accident, fairly exposed to Japanese culture because I was dating a Japanese girl for a year before I ever saw a human being in a karate gi in person.
You were lucky…for the Japanese girl, that is!
There just wasn’t a lot to work with back then and it certainly cannot be compared to the level of instruction that can be more widely found today.
Yes that’s very true. The UK was much later to the martial arts game than the USA, but we were lucky in that the Japanese associations sent many of their finest to teach us early on (perhaps they preferred to come to the UK because we had the Beatles, aRoyal Family and we didn’t bomb their cities!) plus Brits are, by their nature, far more cynical and not as accepting of new ideas, viewing them with suspicion, which may have deflected the charlatans a bit more effectively; we did let Uri Geller seduce us, however 🙄 and Tony Holland; he was always on the box in the 70s! Actually, Tony was great!
 
This looks a lot better that Tony Dukes. There are many more on Youtube.
Set the Dukes video on 78 instead of 33 and they’d look much more similar!
If you’re really as old as me, you’ll know what that means!

You were lucky…for the Japanese girl, that is!
It was my rhinestone vest and roller rink game! 🕺

Yes that’s very true. The UK was much later to the martial arts game than the USA, but we were lucky in that the Japanese associations sent many of their finest to teach us early on (perhaps they preferred to come to the UK because we had the Beatles, aRoyal Family and we didn’t bomb their cities!) plus Brits are, by their nature, far more cynical and not as accepting of new ideas, viewing them with suspicion, which may have deflected the charlatans a bit more effectively; we did let Uri Geller seduce us, however 🙄 and Tony Holland; he was always on the box in the 70s! Actually, Tony was great!
Yeah.
We were pretty skeptical of the Japanese, too.
You know…that whole Pearl Harbor thingee.
So, not holding the Japanese martial artists in very high regard, guys like Ashida Kim, Count Dante, and Frank Dux were allowed to slip into the martial arts scene.
Heck, Bloodsport (Dux) is still the #1 martial arts tournament movie.

And Tony Holland?
Impressive.
Weird, but impressive.
I’m fairly certain I’ve seen him doing the ab roll thing somewhere before.
 
Set the Dukes video on 78 instead of 33 and they’d look much more similar!
If you’re really as old as me, you’ll know what that means!
It it like that ‘6-7’ trend thing? 😐
It was my rhinestone vest and roller rink game! 🕺
Oh you were Wing Woo Gar’s wing ‘man’ 😉
Yeah.
We were pretty skeptical of the Japanese, too. You know…that whole Pearl Harbor thingee.
Were the Japanese involved in that abomination of a film? Shameful.
So, not holding the Japanese martial artists in very high regard, guys like Ashida Kim, Count Dante, and Frank Dux were allowed to slip into the martial arts scene.
<shudder> They are pretty funny when view through today’s ‘retrospectivescope’
Heck, Bloodsport (Dux) is still the #1 martial arts tournament movie.
Somebody on here recommended Bloodsport to me a while ago; it’s the worst film I’ve ever seen, closely followed by Oppenheimer.
And Tony Holland?
Impressive.
Weird, but impressive.
That was entertainment for the UK viewers in the 70s. Then came along Starsky and Hutch, Rhoda and Welcome Back Mr Cotter and our minds were turned further into mush.
I’m fairly certain I’ve seen him doing the ab roll thing somewhere before.
One of the technicians in the dissection room where I used to teach learned how to do that. It always made me feel a bit uncomfortable when she whipped up her top and said, “Gyakuto! Look! I can nearly do it” ☺️
 
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