Kukkiwon demo team: the local timber industry is feeling better already
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Martial D
Senior Master
An amazing display of athleticism to say the least.
jobo
Grandmaster
Fake boards ?
Jaeimseu
3rd Black Belt
Not fake, exactly, but they use very thin boards. This takes some of the margin of error out of the elaborate breaks they attempt. The difficulty is not the breaking of the boards, but hitting the targets at all.
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Earl Weiss
Senior Master
Who is the supplier for those boards?
jobo
Grandmaster
I think they are made of icing sugar, so tate, and lyle, possibly
Jaeimseu
3rd Black Belt
Several suppliers offer them. I don’t use them here in the States, but we used them lots in Korea, especially for demonstrations.
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Earl Weiss
Senior Master
I would luv to see exactly what is required to break them. Anyone have a link?
andyjeffries
Senior Master
A hard prod to be honest. As @Jaeimseu said, it's more about the athleticism of the kicks and touching the target at all, rather than delivering power.
When we had some Koreans come here, we ordered 8mm think parana pine boards for their demos (at their request). Of course, they were jumping over people and landing 3-4 kicks in the air, so I'm sure if they were just standing and kicking a board, they could bang with the best of them.
oftheherd1
Senior Master
I think most of us could see they were not the usual thick boards. And a couple of times I am sure I saw misses where the holder just dropped the board or broke it himself. But most of the time the were contacting the boards and with speed and strength as well. The height and good landings were impressive as well.
Thanks for the link. I enjoyed it.
Thanks for the link. I enjoyed it.
Not a great deal of force, ONCE you've traveled the twelve feet into the air, inverted yourself, and accurately placed the spinning kick on-target.
Earl Weiss
Senior Master
I am not so sure, unless they trained for it.
I agree with you. These sorts of demos show athleticism and gymnastic ability. They do not show that the person can generate or deliver powerful strikes. Which is what I see as the primary purpose of breaking.
Sure can be entertaining to watch, though.
Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
Martial arts as performance art. As impressive as the athleticism is, I honestly can’t watch it.
I think I would respect it more if they were wearing some kind of outlandish Cirque du Soleil costume rather than a martial arts uniform. At least then there is honesty about what it is.
I think I would respect it more if they were wearing some kind of outlandish Cirque du Soleil costume rather than a martial arts uniform. At least then there is honesty about what it is.
Gnarlie
Master of Arts
Speaking from personal experience, I can say that they really can kick hard. Power breaking on the ground is no problem. See Hanmadang.
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I am sure that people who make it on the Kukkiwon Demo Team have done much more than JUST the contents of one particular demo during their martial arts career. Remember that this organization's competitive tournaments are full-contact.
I think you can enjoy a performance of the USMC silent drill team even though it has no connection with how Marines actually fight an enemy. In my mind, theatrical breaking like this is no different.
Metal
Green Belt
While those thin boards are easy to break when they're held with both hands on two opposite sides, it's a different story when they're just held on one side. Especially when it's a multiple-target air kick. Speed and force are the key.
Here are my personal attempts at Taekwondowon:
Markus Lempsch
It was kinda frustrating, but still fun though. ;-) It was also the very first time I ever tried a Dolsam Chagi/돌3차기. I wish we had worked on stuff like that at my club when I was a kid and when jumping was way easier. ^^
When I brought a 3cm board to a seminar in Korea and broke it with a flying sidekick some of the younger guys and girls were like "That's impossible" before I broke it. Kinda weird to see that reaction, especially after the joint demonstrations of the North Korean ITF demo team with Several South Korean demoteams.
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Here are my personal attempts at Taekwondowon:
Markus Lempsch
It was kinda frustrating, but still fun though. ;-) It was also the very first time I ever tried a Dolsam Chagi/돌3차기. I wish we had worked on stuff like that at my club when I was a kid and when jumping was way easier. ^^
When I brought a 3cm board to a seminar in Korea and broke it with a flying sidekick some of the younger guys and girls were like "That's impossible" before I broke it. Kinda weird to see that reaction, especially after the joint demonstrations of the North Korean ITF demo team with Several South Korean demoteams.
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Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
I understand what you are saying but to me, there is something different. It’s not my thing.
