Simple his linage and timeframe are in accurate at best, the military says he is a fake, the martial art community says he is a fake, so why would I or any other legit martial artist train with a fake. Plain and simple if you ask me.
Simple his linage and timeframe are in accurate at best, the military says he is a fake
WHO in the martial arts community? Strike that. WHO in the martial arts community that have actually SEEN him in ACTION or TRAINED with him? Anyone can say anything about anyone, but that doesn't give them credibility. The community as a whole has, I can safely state, not even MET the man. Why should I listen to the martial arts community. Heck, who's their spokesman?the martial art community says he is a fake
Yes, it is plain and simple. But I did not ask you. I asked whoever has actual experience with the guy. Do you have experience with the guy?Plain and simple if you ask me.
My apologies for coming off a bit strong.
Josh in all truthfullness follow your heart.
Let's break this down:
Who can I talk to to verify this? A PERSON, not a website.
You can contact the US Military and they will tell you he was enlisted after the Vietnam war so he could not possibily have served in it.
WHO in the martial arts community? Strike that. WHO in the martial arts community that have actually SEEN him in ACTION or TRAINED with him? Anyone can say anything about anyone, but that doesn't give them credibility. The community as a whole has, I can safely state, not even MET the man. Why should I listen to the martial arts community. Heck, who's their spokesman?
I have back in the eighties he was at best an average BB in my humble opinion.
Yes, it is plain and simple. But I did not ask you. I asked whoever has actual experience with the guy. Do you have experience with the guy?
Again I figure since I train with him a few times I could speak.
Let me state again. I'm looking for people who have trained with Frank Dux. If you have not trained with him, or met him, or know someone who trained with him, or even seen him in action What can you possibly tell me that I haven't already read on a website?
Well there you have it from someone that has meet him and have done some training with him. I was a Military Brat for all my life my Father was a Master Sergent in the U.S.M.C. so I do have some friends of the family that have nothing good to say about the man. I am sorry if you was looking for something else and believe me I was not trying to upset anybody but you ask and I answered for you. The best advice is for you to go train and if you find value then that is all that matters. I did not try to come of like that but when people that claim one thing and can be disproven by our Military on certain timeframes you have to ask yourself why. Best of luck and please let us know how the training goes and I wish you success in that training.
Josh
If you do train with Mr. Dux would you please tell us here at MT how that training goes. What was covered and if it was presented in a way most could understand and apply.
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts (as I take it you have never met him before)
sheldon
Okay, now i'm clear. This is the first time you said you trained with him. I had gotten tired of asking for people and getting a million responses with websites. Thanks for your patience.
In all honesty, if you're really interested in training, I'd go with one of the following:
Bujinkan
Genbukan
Jinenkan
SKH
IMHO, if you're interested in training, if you're going to be spending money, and you want to learn something that has a good reputation, I'd want to train under someone who has a good reputation.
Now, I'm sure some will suggest staying away from Hayes and the controversy that surrounds him, however, if it was a toss up between Dux and Hayes, I'd go with Hayes. IMO, his reputation is more solid than Dux.
Mike
I already teach Shaolin Kempo full time. I care less about reputation and more about effectiveness.
I do have to say though, the next time my buddies and I watch Bloodsport I'm telling them about all of this...