Figure I

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For those of you who have learned the Baat Jaam Dao, I find it interesting that the "figure I" or Yat Ge is performed in two distinct ways based, it would seem, on lineage.

If you're willing, I'd love to hear which way you do it and what you may have been told about it.

I also find it interesting that it's sometimes referred to in English as "Figure I" since they letter I doesn't mean anything in Chinese, but I won't let that distract me.

 

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1 in Chinese is pictured as a horizontal line

 

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1 in Chinese is pictured as a horizontal line

I think he said "I", not "1"

 

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For those of you who have learned the Baat Jaam Dao, I find it interesting that the "figure I" or Yat Ge is performed in two distinct ways based, it would seem, on lineage.

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If you're willing, I'd love to hear which way you do it and what you may have been told about it.

I also find it interesting that it's sometimes referred to in English as "Figure I" since they letter I doesn't mean anything in Chinese, but I won't let that distract me.

Hard to say without more context. Where is this in your knife form? What precedes and follows the pics you posted? What does "Yat Ge" mean?
Looking forward to the discussion! Its been fairly quiet here for a long time. Thanks for posting!

 

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1 in Chinese is pictured as a horizontal line

I think he said "I", not "1"

Right. This is the explanation that I got before. Logically there would be a character for the #1 and it would be a slash, but I have heard or seen this referred to as a "figure i", which doesn't make any sense. I don't know what "Yat Gi", "Yut Gui" means and it and I didn't mean to focus on that.

 

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I've learned this form from 2 different sources and I've gone out and looked at as many other lineage versions as I can find. There are other differences, but this one stood out as the biggest and I find it interesting that it is more difficult to draw parallels to empty hands than Jaam, Biu, Gaan, Kwan, etc.

Depending on how it's done, I can imagine it having the intent of Laap/Bong, Laan, or Po Pai sao.

I know this is a somewhat guarded form, so I was hoping to just hear some thoughts without getting into lineage squabbles or other MA social media traps.

I will share that I have decided to do it the opposite of the way I learned it for the month of May, just to see if it helps me understand it better.

I don't claim to know "right" or "best" and you won't hear me claim that my SiGung had the one true anything. Legitimately interested in any informed viewpoints.

 

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I've learned this form from 2 different sources and I've gone out and looked at as many other lineage versions as I can find. There are other differences, but this one stood out as the biggest and I find it interesting that it is more difficult to draw parallels to empty hands than Jaam, Biu, Gaan, Kwan, etc.

Depending on how it's done, I can imagine it having the intent of Laap/Bong, Laan, or Po Pai sao.

I know this is a somewhat guarded form, so I was hoping to just hear some thoughts without getting into Lineage squabbles or other MA social media traps.

I will share that I have decided to do it the opposite of the way I learned it for the month of May, just to see if it helps me understand it better.

I don't claim to know "right" or "best" and you won't hear me claim that my SiGung had the one true anything. Legitimately interested in any informed viewpoints.

Well, I'd like to offer a comment or observation, but I don't see the top pic anywhere in my knife form, and the second one looks somewhat similar to a movement I know...which I would probably call a kwan do type of shape/movement. But, without seeing your two shapes in a dynamic sense, hard to say either way.