- Jan 6, 2005
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I have no idea where you practiced BJJ, but that assessment is wildly inaccurate. The closed guard alone is based on the assumption that someone will be striking you, and it's pretty much the foundation of BJJ ground fighting. In addition, the notion that a BJJer's strategy is to "stay on the ground the entire time" is wildly inaccurate as well. The sooner you finish them, the sooner you can walk away.
Also how can you say that Judo employs a great many of the same locks when they don't have wrist or leg locks?
I also need to really stress this, because I see this notion a lot, but there's a belief that if you throw someone to the ground, you win and that person never gets back up again. I have seen situations both in real life and video where people are slammed multiple times by wrestlers and Judoka, and they get right back up again and continue to attack. So your gameplan may be to stay on your feet, but that may not always be the case, especially if you have a severe weight disadvantage.
Yeah, I'm well aware of the history of Judo. I think it's odd that you're ignoring the decades of codification where many techniques were removed in order to make it a more efficient sport. The removal of leg locks almost a century ago, and the banning of the double leg takedown almost a decade ago would be prime examples.
I think, perhaps, the disconnect in our information comes from this: as a martial artist, I look specifically for gyms/dojos with a focus on real-world practical application, and true self-defense. I don't (typically) go to gyms whose primary goal of training is the sport aspect.
That said, when it comes to BJJ, I've never encountered one (in the USA or Canada) whose focus was self-defense over sport. Every single one I've found has been sport focussed. Meanwhile, the (admittedly very few) only Judo dojos I've found, they were exclusively focused on self-defense, not sport.
So my personal experience with the arts has been just as I've said-- but my conversations with a broad array of other martial artists have only served to reinforce the assessments based on my experiences.
As far as being "wildly inaccurate", I'm well aware of the closed guard, and its supposed handling of strikes. Sure, that's good if you can flying-scissors your way onto the dude's body while he's standing, or else get him to the ground in the first place-- but then of course, he can still slam you (which hurts a lot more on a street than it does on a mat in a gym), and beyond that: it's not as though you having full guard on a standing (or grounded) opponent actually puts you at the advantage for dealing with strikes-- at best, it puts you neutral.
I'm not sure you understand the nature of self-defense judo however, because leg-locks and double-leg takedowns aren't good options if your intent is to ground your opponent and then gain a control lock or break his limbs. That's the intent of Judo. Not to "throw and let go" as you seem to have the false impression it is.