Comparison of karate styles

[PhotonGuy]

I've had a terrible few weeks and an running short on patience.

Im sorry to hear that.

I already knew what the translation was.

In post #50 you said you never heard it being called that.

This is not just flogging a dead horse this is kicking its bones around the field now.

Call it what you want, we can move on and not discuss it if you don't want to.

 

[Tez3]

Im sorry to hear that.

In post #50 you said you never heard it being called that.

Call it what you want, we can move on and not discuss it if you don't want to.

Okay let's be pendantic. Yes I know what the translation is because I read a lot. I still haven't heard people in person, who practice the art call it that in English.

 

[Same Trick86 37]

Okay let's be pendantic. Yes I know what the translation is because I read a lot. I still haven't heard people in person, who practice the art call it that in English.

No need to say it in English, all JuJutsu practitioners world wide of course know when they say JuJutsu they say ”gentle method”

 

[Prince_Alarming77 13]

Gentle my fat Welsh foot

 

[Shugyosha39 34]

Referring to the Wikipedia article you linked and some you mentioned:

Shotokan - The main Japanese style as described.

Shito-ryu - Okinawan master Mabuni created this style while in Japan. As such, while article describes it as being more upright, extensive use of the deep zen kutsu stance typical of Shotokan is seen. Mabuni knew more katas from more styles than anyone and I think Shito-ryu reflects this influence.

Goju - A Naha based style with closer ties to Chinese Fujian. It is a very close in style and while the article stresses its sanchin kata with its deep rooting, IMO it's also characterized by counter-grabbing and joint/vital point targeting.

Uechi-ryu - Also Naha based with even closer ties to China than goju with much open hand striking

Wado-ryu - Don't know much about it, but after reviewing 3 of its advanced katas it seems like a typical Shorin/Tomari kind of Okinawan karate.

Isshinryu - Now recognized as one of the main traditional Okinawan styles, it's mostly Shorin based with some goju influence (including seiuchin and sanchin kata). Close to mid distance ranges and upright stance, its kata having a good amount of grabbing technique.

Kyokushi - As described in the article.

For more info, check out the various styles' kata on Youtube.

Small bit of correction, goju and uechi both arose from a milieu of Fujian techniques but Uechi is actually considered its own branch in Okinawa. We have crane techniques but we’re a tiger system, and we have crane techniques because the tiger system is derived from crane but is now its own unique style with a unique strategy. They’re both close in but tiger is more like western dirty boxing where you clinch up and bang. Crane also wants to clinch up but at least minghequan is more of a counter fighting style

 

[Shugyosha39 34]

General Karate question.

Is circular punch (such as hook, uppercut, overhand, hammer fist, back fist, side punch. spiral punch) emphasized in Karate system?

In Uechi we have hooks back fists and uppercut like movements. I’d also posit that a nukite to the ribs and an uppercut to the ribs are extremely in similar in mechanics. We also have crane beak strikes and hammer fists.

Got into the part of your post re: karate sparring styles and neglected this point. While traditional Okinawan kobudo (sort of dying out post WWll) has been preserved to a great extent by karate largely thru the efforts of Taira Shinken in the mid 1950's and often practiced in parallel to it, IMO it's not really an inherent part of karate, but more of an add on - perhaps seen as an adopted child. This is the background as I know it.

The progenitors of karate (Shuri-te) were professional warriors such as Matsumura who in addition to empty hand combat were trained in several weapons including sword (not a part of Okinawan kobudo), bo and sai (from his years in China). Taira Shinken learned kobudo from a couple of Matsumura's students. Other weapons such as kama, tonfa, nunchaku and eku (oar) were used by farmers and fishermen with no formal empty hand combat training, but we can't know what that originally looked like. Modern kobudo includes both these lineages.

Nowadays kobudo has a lot in common with karate fundamentals and largely studied by those with karate training. But (I believe) can be studied as a separate art without prior karate training although those fundamentals must still be taught. There are weapon movements which are unique and not found in karate. There are three major schools/styles of kobudo with a full kobudo curriculum and belt system: Ryuuku and Matayoshi (both stemming from Matsumura) and Yamani (whose lineage I don't know beyond Master Agena).

forgView attachment 34319
This is the hand forged Agena sai made by 9th dan Peter Carbone. They were formerly produced by several generations of the Miyahara family. With Hanshi Carbone's recent retirement from the craft, they are no longer made. Several top Okinawan masters own a pair. Mine are just like this - Sai that Bushi Matsumura himself would have loved.

ive been messing around with nunchaku using Sensei Michael calandra’s videos as a guide. I want to learn some kobudo but neither style I practice teaches it

 

[PhotonGuy]

Okay let's be pendantic. Yes I know what the translation is because I read a lot. I still haven't heard people in person, who practice the art call it that in English.

Alright well maybe they don't call it that in English but we can move on from flogging the dead horse, this is a Karate folder after all not a Jiu Jitsu folder.

 

[Tez3]

Alright well maybe they don't call it that in English but we can move on from flogging the dead horse, this is a Karate folder after all not a Jiu Jitsu folder.

Oh my dear, if only you could move on. I await eagerly your post on this in a year or so.