- Apr 17, 2002
- Reaction score
- At an OP in view of your house...
Ben Robertson said:First off, I am a student of Sanchin Ryu, and I don't want to confuse anyone into thinking I'm bashing my chosen style. However I am curious myself about the history, or roots, of the style, as I believe knowing it will make my MA experience a more holistic one. Many of the questions raised here are ones that I am in search of answers to myself. Any questions to my Sensei or other Senseis has only been answered in a vague manner, very similar to Punisher73's replies.
I don't believe you truely know who you are until you have figured out where you've been. History is important.
Sanchin Ryu really is a good style that has it's merits.
Please do not take this as me bashing Sanchin Ryu. I am not saying it is a bad or "illegitimate" style, as I do not know enough about it to say one way or the other. I would have to see what is being done on the training floor to make any further assessment.
But I will say that the elusive history and background information is very problematic. What makes it elusive is the lack of verifiable information. I am thankful that Punisher73 took the time to answer my questions, however I cannot verify any of the answers through a third party source.
For starters, I don't know who Punisher73 actually is, or if he is really a cop or not (not that being a cop gives you credability; although some of the best training is available through LE, I have seen some pretty goofy stuff from LE as well). I don't know what specifically CGM Dearborn trained in, who his instructors were, or how long he trained before developing Sanchinryu. I don't even know if Mr. Dearborn is a real person or completely manufactured. This may sound silly, but stranger things have happened. Also, making up a style and saying "I'll take on all challangers" does little for ones legitimacy. Although there were tough areas in 1970's Michigan, it wasn't exactly a third would feudal country where one could legally get away with that sort of thing. Case in point: Asida Kim, the fraudulent Ninja, also says he will take on all challangers.
Also, although it is good that one would consult attorneys, and experts to develop self-defense programs, saying "I talked to a few of these experts" isn't exactly anything verifiable. Same issue with "we were a prt of a university study" with no reference to the actual study.
Now, again, I am not saying that Sanchinryu is a bad style, or that you guys are frauds doing bad, or anything of the sort. For all I know, you guys might be a great group of people doing wonderful things to impart self-defense knowledge to kids. This is why any Sanchinryu adults (I don't teach kids programs) have an open invitation to anything I do, as I would be happy to meet some of these people myself. So please don't take this as a slam.
It is just that the lack of verifiable information does not really look good. Now, I understand that the organization might be doing this to avoid criticism from traditionalists who have issues with creating a style. However, the trade-off is that when an informed person (who I realize is not 95% of anyone signing up for community ed) is looking for background info, it is going to sound like Sanchin Ryu is a scam, or worse, a"martial cult" rather then a good place to get training.
Here is a good E-article on martial cults: http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/cults.htm
Certianly not all of the article applies to this conversation here. Hopefully, not much at all will apply to Sanchin Ryu. However, it is a good article with good online resources as well.