I thought Menkyo Kaiden was specific to the Ryu? If so, that would invalidate Mr. Bussey from using the Togakure or Bujinkan names, but not necessarily Ninjutsu, correct? Isn't this where we get the "Modern" distinction?
Yes, Menkyo Kaiden is specific to individual ryuha.
The shidoshi-ho and shidoshi licenses, however, refer to Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu as a whole. You can teach the Bujinkan method without necessarily making menkyo kaiden in any of the ryuha.
Seeing as how Togakure ryu is currently the only publicly-taught legitimate ninjutsu ryuha (although other ryuha, like Tenshin Katori Shinto ryu and Kukishin ryu contain some ninjutsu in their teachings, I believe), it is very disingenuous to pass off anything else as "ninjutsu" in and of itself. Ninpo, however, is another animal altogether...
The "modern" distinction, I would say, comes from people that misuse or misunderstand the term "ninjutsu" altogether. There are currently only three actual ninjutsu ryuha, only one of which has been publicly taught (to my knowledge, anyway). Not everything done in the Takamatsu-den is "ninjutsu".
But, hey, that's all just my opinion. :asian:
so no one should learn from him then? thats it i'm gonna write him right now! if hatsumi doesn't approve (although he did back in the day) then i personally am going to write all the students to cease and desist!
Gee. Way to misinterpret what's actually being said.
At no point did any of us say you shouldn't learn under Bussey. We are simply questioning his claims (which, to be frank, are bunk).
I refer back to this:
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I have absolutely no regret, because I would simply have helped spread an ancient art filled with illusions, sterile philosophies, and limitations".
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Apparently, his definition of "limited", "illusory", and "sterile" is "non-Christian". Which, really, is what this all comes back to.
Perhaps his claim of a "teaching license" is debateable, but the real point is "when can you use the term Ninjutsu to describe your own style?" OR Karate, or Ju Jutsu?
Well, one would at least expect it to have some kind of connection to the schools that teach those arts --- and not just a hybrid American style a 20-something cooked up.
Is "Modern Ninjutsu" a correct term then? Does Hatsumi not teach a modern style of his own interpretation along with the traditional?
It is my understanding that the kata change. The principles do not.
And, again, the only "ninjutsu" being taught is from Togakure ryu (and possibly parts of Kukishin ryu, I dunno).
There were 50+ Koga ryu. Did they all spontaneously emerge or did they have to ask permission from a particular source before teaching? It's my understanding Menkyo Kaiden was not around since the first days either.
To be honest, the terms "shinobi no mono" and "shinobijutsu" was probably applied to these groups by outside sources. Its not likely they originally refered to themselves as such. But, I guess the names stuck.
traditionalist claim that hatsumi is teaching a modern version of what he taught back then (refer back to skh thread). now if thats the case then only a handful can really claim to be traditional like hayes, bussey, novan, etc. the rest have learned a modern version of what was taught back then.
If by "modern" you actually mean "continually evolving, developing, and adapting", then sure.
Laterz all.
