- Mar 27, 2012
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- Hendersonville, NC
As I was watching I thought it might help those less inclined to educate themselves.
The entire series of answers to common questions covers the use and appearance of their wing chun.
Alan Orr echoes my comments regarding the TMA tendency to work based on principles rather than techniques and details how he uses the principles of his art in a practical form.
no my comment was he only SHOWS it working on a complient partner,Troll. You are just trolling now.
You wanted to know how to identify the wing chun that won a boxing match. You get that from an instructor who not only advocates sparring but who puts fighters into mma matches and your only comment is that what he shows only works on a compliant partner?
Troll. You are just trolling now.
no my comment was he only SHOWS it working on a complient partner,
yes all,styles will work if your stooge just stands there with his arm out, is that what you ment when you started this thread. ?You should have said so
DB Can you quote the passage please?
I think this is a goalpost move on your part.
You've been quite happy to suggest everywhere else that boxing and muay thai work because they have a proven record of winning fights. It was because of such claims that i created this thread.
Now your uber combat sports don't work because of their obvious limitations along with every other style, placing them all squarely on the same level?
Even if I believed that to be your belief I would disagree with it because the challenge of martial arts has never been to know everything. Add wrestling and your still shy of a defence against bullets and hand grenades.
It's an unrealistic standard based on fight scenarios that most TMA were not designed for. Any such style v style match ups present a challenge of methodology where the chances of winning are based upon the variety of your training.
So little Johnny gets caught for stealing and is told what he did was wrong.
His excuse is "But what about all the other kids who steal?"
Just because the individual and the training and the circumstance plays a role. Does not discount that the style plays a role as well.
There is a reason boxers tend to wrestle worse than wrestlers.
Shifting goalposts as opposed to any style works but not any style and no real definition of works.
I'm running low on time, so didn't watch the video, but I'll take a stab. Because cross-training fills gaps. An effective system is not a foolproof system (I wish one of those existed - let's work on that one). Bringing in an outside expert is not necessarily an indication of a problem in a system.If any fighting system can work. Why the hell did alan Orr bring in an expert from a different system?
I think this is where we get back to needing some clarity on "works". Boxing does work. It also has a big gap. BJJ (as taught where they only train for BJJ competition) works, but has a big gap. The two complete each other (how romantical!) - almost...still no kicks, but that's survivable.Yes if you look at one of my original arguments it says boxing does not teach you to wrestle. So all styles don't work.
I think this is where we get back to needing some clarity on "works". Boxing does work. It also has a big gap. BJJ (as taught where they only train for BJJ competition) works, but has a big gap. The two complete each other (how romantical!) - almost...still no kicks, but that's survivable.
You did define it...Again, we never needed clarification to say wing chun doesn't work.
And again, I defined "works" in the first post of the thread. The latest clarification spurred some of Drop Bear's latest contributions.
...but that hardly gives us a definitive cut-off. It's a good conceptual definition, but we can't really measure against anything in that, as it changes with every individual and every style. In fact, it almost makes it impossible for a style to "not work", unless someone chooses the wrong style for themselves. The definition doesn't actually allow for what the style's intention is.A style "works" when the fighter is able to make valid credible steps towards his goal and has the potential to reach it within the confines of the style.