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Anyone read this yet? Any thoughts on it?

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Anyone read this yet? Any thoughts on it?

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This is the first I've heard of it.

Thoughts? None ...except I'd like to get ahold of a copy.
 

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Anyone read this yet? Any thoughts on it?
I thought it was a nice tribute. It includes 25 interviews from first generation WSLVT practitioners, which in my opinion adds to the book's relevance. It's also a bit of a rally cry for many within the WSLVT community. The first hand stories, insights and experiences about WSL add to the level of excitement and inspiration to those who train his method.
 
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rally cry

What do you mean? To bring all the WSL family together or...? To dispel any "bragging rights" by his direct students? etc?
 

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What do you mean? To bring all the WSL family together or...?

Yeah, an inspiration and sense of shared pride. It has mostly been received as a positive contribution to the WSLVT community. Political disagreements aside.
 

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This man earned a whopping 9 pages in Judkins, et al.

Who doesn't remember this?

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Always reminded me of the Anthrax album cover.

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Good morning all,

I'm after a copy of the following book below,
If you have a copy, and don't mind parting with it, please email me.

Kind regards,

J.Smith
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This man earned a whopping 9 pages in Judkins, et al.

Who doesn't remember this?

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This will probably be my only post in this thread, and then I'll go back to lurking. But I sincerely thought this was a satirical image, given the amount of infighting I've read over the year between the different branches of WC/WT on this forum. I thought it was tongue and cheek. And your reference to Judkins, given the kerfuffle that recently created, just added to my confusion.

All that to say, thanks for the chuckle. I'll fade back into the shadows again, now. :)
 

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This will probably be my only post in this thread, and then I'll go back to lurking. But I sincerely thought this was a satirical image, given the amount of infighting I've read over the year between the different branches of WC/WT on this forum. I thought it was tongue and cheek. And your reference to Judkins, given the kerfuffle that recently created, just added to my confusion.

All that to say, thanks for the chuckle. I'll fade back into the shadows again, now. :)
It's basic Crane technique, right there on the cover. And I personally thought the stopwatch motif was, shall we say, precise for someone claiming "science" in a Wing Chun context.

Judkins' work is the most advanced scholarly research on Wing Chun published to date. It was excerpted in the Journal of Sports History. And Judkins co-wrote it with a very legit Wing Chun instructor. It's going to draw out people making easily falsifiable claims, like "he based it mostly on this dude/bood".

That's how you spot the lineage warriors. The first thing they did was question my reading comprehension, remember? Ha. I read their book, too.

This is a pee on my head and tell me it's snowing situation. I could do a whole thread on the lies that get spread around on Wing Chun, especially recently, but as long as I stick to historical science...I don't have to.
 

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That's how you spot the lineage warriors. The first thing they did was question my reading comprehension, remember? Ha. I read their book, too.

This is a pee on my head and tell me it's snowing situation. I could do a whole thread on the lies that get spread around on Wing Chun, especially recently, but as long as I stick to historical science...I don't have to.
C'mon man, you are not a victim. There is no crazed group of lineage warriors after you. People disagreed with you, and you didn't react to all of it very well. Some of your critics got more personal than was necessary too.

I thought we had a pretty respectful back and forth in the locked thread, though we walked away still disagreeing with each other.

Though I have issues with it, Judkins work is worth a read, his effort is to be commended. It is only as good as its sources, and for some people some of the sources aren't considered very good. YMMV.
 

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C'mon man, you are not a victim. There is no crazed group of lineage warriors after you. People disagreed with you, and you didn't react to all of it very well. Some of your critics got more personal than was necessary too.

I thought we had a pretty respectful back and forth in the locked thread, though we walked away still disagreeing with each other.

Though I have issues with it, Judkins work is worth a read, his effort is to be commended. It is only as good as its sources, and for some people some of the sources aren't considered very good. YMMV.
That's debatable.

I think I reacted to it the same way I'd react to any flash mob of kung fools who show up online to spread lies about scholarly literature. Those "people" are wrong, and a lot of them are for sure Wing Chun student trolls. One of them basically said "I only log in once a month to troll you". Uh huh, I see you bud. Some other dude in a different thread pretended to know me, and used the same "Greasy Dragon" reference. Play on, playa.

The book's bibliography contains over 150 sources. A know a couple of those people, but I'm especially aware of the beef between Wing Chun schools. It's also over an inch thick. When I compare it to the next nearest best work on Wing Chun, that old one doesn't come close.

The "critics" here said first it was all based on Leung Ting. That was easily falsified by anyone holding the book in hand.

Then it was all from one book about Foshan. That was a lie, but I don't even believe all those accounts are different people. Either one person, or several people who know each other and also, don't read (you can tell these trolls right away, he challenged my own reading comprehension. Bad move, I read the book, it's right here in my pile).

The truth is the people commenting about Judkins in such a hyperbolic and fact-deficient way, don't like the fact that it exposes a lot of their strongly held "truths" about Wing Chun. And it was co-written by someone whose Wing Chun credentials are impeccable.

Cornell history scholar+Wing Chun master = your argument is invalid.

I'm well attuned to being a hated messenger, but I love the job man. Sincerely.
 
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