What do your classes look like (curriculum, ranking, etc)?

Kenpo66

Yellow Belt
I'm currently a 2nd Brown in an EPAK school, but I'm only familiar with how my school is structured and our curriculum and ranking system. I know there are variations on curriculum such as Parker's 32, Parker's 24, Duffy's 16 and schools that make up they're own.

I'm looking for insight as to how other schools operate and how classes are structured. On ranking, do you have an idea of the requirements or is it simply up to your teacher to decide when you are ready? Is there a difference between material taught to kids and adults? Are ranking standards consistent or do people's skills vary even in the same rank? I'd appreciate any input from others to learn more of how other schools operate.

Thanks!
 
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We only have one belt which is black.
We have a curriculum for black and up to 3rd level. Our teacher and we the senior students determine when a student is ready for testing.
 
I'm looking for insight as to how other schools operate and how classes are structured.
Loosely. We generally will have warm-ups, stretching, then work on poomsae, bag work, paddle work, and specific techniques (punching, kicking, grappling, breakfalls...). We generally do sparring one day a week. But all of that is subject to change on the whim of the instructor. Maybe a student will ask a question, so we dive into answering.
On ranking, do you have an idea of the requirements or is it simply up to your teacher to decide when you are ready?
Both. Our minimum rank requirements are set forth in the school textbook. Students can be asked to demonstrate additional things, if we have time, but it is always material that they have been taught.
Students can ask if they're ready to promote, in which case they are either told "yes" or are shown what they need to work on. Nobody tests until the instructors are confident in the students ability.
My view is that there is no test. They're simply being given the chance to show off for friends and family. Nobody fails. If a student is unable to perform at the exected level, they try again. It's pretty much always a case of test anxiety. Occasionally, younger students may have difficulty doing the mandatory break (minimum 1 board with a technique based on their rank). I cannot recall the last time a student couldn't pass the poomsae or sparring sections.
Is there a difference between material taught to kids and adults?
Sort of, but not really. An example.
In Koryo, there are several arc hand strikes. There are several applications for these, with wildly differing goals. One portion of the form shows the strike attacking the knee, after catching a kick. Another striking higher, in the head/neck area. This latter application can be done with at least three goals.
1 - Targeting the point of the jaw. I do teach students to avoid hitting the mouth itself. Bites are nasty. They are pretty much the only wound that will always get antibiotics.
2 - Targeting the underside of the jaw, at an upwards angle, to unbalance your opponent.
3 - Targeting, the throst. Specifically, the hyoid bone. Hyoid bone fractures cause rapid swelling, will block the airway in a very short time, and have a very high mortality rate.
So when students are at a rank high enough to learn Koryo, we have a conversation. The short version is "ask yourself what you're willing to do and be brutally honest. If you don't think you could ever use the final version, don't bother training it. Train what you will use."
We don't have baby black belts, so this conversation is going to be with an adult, or in rare cases a 16-17 yo.
Are ranking standards consistent or do people's skills vary even in the same rank?
Our ranking standards are very consistent. There will always be differences in individual skills. One may have really pretty technique doing poomsae but not be much good at sparring. Or the other way around.
 
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For some reason I can’t edit my own post…

We don’t teach children, but we’ve had a couple teens that haven’t stuck around. The art we teach seems a bit too heavy for young adults and most women.

We go through an hour of warm up and drills before technique and application.

Students all perform what we call Amara’s in front of the class. Amara’s are striking patterns. We have 12 of them. The student perform the Amara’s they think they know. Otherwise, they have to practice on their own. We’re there for instruction and clarification.

There ya go…
 
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I'm currently a 2nd Brown in an EPAK school, but I'm only familiar with how my school is structured and our curriculum and ranking system. I know there are variations on curriculum such as Parker's 32, Parker's 24, Duffy's 16 and schools that make up they're own.

I'm looking for insight as to how other schools operate and how classes are structured. On ranking, do you have an idea of the requirements or is it simply up to your teacher to decide when you are ready? Is there a difference between material taught to kids and adults? Are ranking standards consistent or do people's skills vary even in the same rank? I'd appreciate any input from others to learn more of how other schools operate.

Thanks!
I get the feeling something specific is bothering you? What’s on your mind?
 
I get the feeling something specific is bothering you? What’s on your mind?
This is true.

There's always been a mismatch between my dedication/drive/learning style and the structure of my school. It has a lot of problems - it fits the definition of a mcdojo well. Student counts are continually declining, and a few months ago they initiated changes that are driving more students away.

Personally, I've always put in the extra study and work inside and outside of class, knowing that the my learning there would be limited. In class, I'm down to one training partner - a year ago there were 6-8 of us that worked well together. Basically my learning at that school is stagnant. I still practice on my own daily, but without teaching and feedback/correction from a good instructor, I'm not progressing much.

Right or wrong, the characteristics they preach, and I align with, are not valued there. At the moment my options are to quit training, change to another system/style or keep getting whatever I can out of training there (with diminishing returns).

My original question came up because I'm not ready to believe that all schools have become money grabs that hand out rank. Maybe I'm looking for a bit of inspiration that there are still schools with solid curriculum where hard work, skill and leadership are valued.
 
This is true.

There's always been a mismatch between my dedication/drive/learning style and the structure of my school. It has a lot of problems - it fits the definition of a mcdojo well. Student counts are continually declining, and a few months ago they initiated changes that are driving more students away.

Personally, I've always put in the extra study and work inside and outside of class, knowing that the my learning there would be limited. In class, I'm down to one training partner - a year ago there were 6-8 of us that worked well together. Basically my learning at that school is stagnant. I still practice on my own daily, but without teaching and feedback/correction from a good instructor, I'm not progressing much.

Right or wrong, the characteristics they preach, and I align with, are not valued there. At the moment my options are to quit training, change to another system/style or keep getting whatever I can out of training there (with diminishing returns).

My original question came up because I'm not ready to believe that all schools have become money grabs that hand out rank. Maybe I'm looking for a bit of inspiration that there are still schools with solid curriculum where hard work, skill and leadership are valued.
Sometimes finding the right school can be a journey. But as long as you keep that fire in your belly you’ll eventually be alright.

AND if you stay in the arts for a long time and eventually teach, you’ll have a primer for what NOT to do. Please don’t dismiss that thought, it can be important in the lives of others.
 
On ranking, do you have an idea of the requirements ...
You may try the "depth" approach. For example,

1st beginner test - How to do a side kick (single techniques).
2nd beginner test - When you do a side kick, your opponent block your side kick, you then spin your body and apply your spin back fist (2 moves combos).
3rd beginner test - When you apply spin back fist, your opponent dodges under your punch, you follow with another hook punch (3 moves combos).
4th beginner test - ...

This way, if your students want to learn deeper level MA knowledge, they have to stay. When you teach this way, you force your students to think more than 1 level deep. It's like to play the chess game, you think several steps ahead.
 
This is true.

There's always been a mismatch between my dedication/drive/learning style and the structure of my school. It has a lot of problems - it fits the definition of a mcdojo well. Student counts are continually declining, and a few months ago they initiated changes that are driving more students away.

Personally, I've always put in the extra study and work inside and outside of class, knowing that the my learning there would be limited. In class, I'm down to one training partner - a year ago there were 6-8 of us that worked well together. Basically my learning at that school is stagnant. I still practice on my own daily, but without teaching and feedback/correction from a good instructor, I'm not progressing much.

Right or wrong, the characteristics they preach, and I align with, are not valued there. At the moment my options are to quit training, change to another system/style or keep getting whatever I can out of training there (with diminishing returns).

My original question came up because I'm not ready to believe that all schools have become money grabs that hand out rank. Maybe I'm looking for a bit of inspiration that there are still schools with solid curriculum where hard work, skill and leadership are valued.
Depending on where you are, small towns in the outlaying areas in the country is your best bet,i first went to a school 32 years ago have been back at it now going on five years 32 years ago we had a student population of about 30-40 people of course that went down month by month not from bad instruction but just life gets in the way and a lot cant handle the work nor demands of training so they quit(always wondered about this) now i train in a metal garage at most 5-8 people but not bad, miss a school but where i am, i am, instructor does not really want a school but loves teaching! love my instructor now very very good instructor! had been given the greatest gift of all by having the opportunity of making the martial arts my life! and i love it! Enjoy the journey!
 
As a student I really dig where we go. Our instructor(the owner) is there most of the time, and he’s right in it with us while he teaches. We’re primarily doing TKD, but any class can drift into other styles when the conversation turns to general self-defense or doing comparisons in styles.

Most classes start with warm-ups or stretching, depending on what our bodies are about to be asked to do. While we’re loosening up, he checks in... what have we run into since the last class, what questions came up, have you noticed any weaknesses or strengths that you want to dig into? Then he introduces the drill: the goal first, then the details. He breaks the motion down step-by-step... drill step 1, then steps 1 and 2, then 1 2 3 layering it in while walking the room, making corrections. He’ll mix in theory, history, and real-world context for where the movement actually fits. His real world experience allows real insight.

After that, we partner up (if we haven't already) and start light contact sparring focused specifically on those drills... doing only what’s necessary to find our way into the defense or the technique we just learned. Then, for those of us who want to (and it’s most of us, men and women), we get turned loose to go a bit harder. The expectation is respect, but real resistance. Enough pressure to raise the stress level, get the heart rate up, and force you to find the technique again when you’re tired and the situation feels more real.

Class ends back in formation: any last discussion, reciting the five tenets, then we’re released. A lot of people hang around afterward to stretch, do alligator crawls, or get a little extra work in. Typical adult class size runs about 6–20 depending on the day, so it stays personal without feeling empty. The junior classes go about the same.. and the little dragons all but the harder sparring.

We spar 15–30 minutes, two to four times a week. For those who do tournaments, this regular sparring seems to serve well.

EDIT... this was meant for a different post and I am unable to delete it.. my apologies.
 
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