Using the Lan Sau

Kung Fu Wang

Sr. Grandmaster
MT Mentor
Joined
Sep 26, 2012
Messages
14,041
Reaction score
4,488
Location
Austin, Tx/Shell Beach, Ca
In wrestling, when you pull your opponent's neck, if your opponent resists, you will change your "neck pulling" to "forearm throat push" as you have shown in your clip.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: KPM

Kung Fu Wang

Sr. Grandmaster
MT Mentor
Joined
Sep 26, 2012
Messages
14,041
Reaction score
4,488
Location
Austin, Tx/Shell Beach, Ca
Every time your opponent uses "pull guard" on you, you can drop your forearm on his throat as hard as you can. After that, he won't do it again.
 

Nobody Important

2nd Black Belt
Joined
May 25, 2016
Messages
893
Reaction score
474
Lan is an important bridge in the clinch, much can be done to control the opponent with it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KPM
OP
K

KPM

Senior Master
Joined
Jul 6, 2014
Messages
3,642
Reaction score
992
Lan is an important bridge in the clinch, much can be done to control the opponent with it.

But isn't it interesting that you almost never see this in sparring footage of Wing Chun guys?
 

Martial D

Senior Master
Joined
May 18, 2017
Messages
3,407
Reaction score
1,156
But isn't it interesting that you almost never see this in sparring footage of Wing Chun guys?
Not so much really. Usually at that range arms are tangled. I can't remember a time in my many hundreds (thousands?) of sparring hours ever being 1 foot away and square with both arms free.

With that said, where I do find value in this technique is as a space maker when my other arm is stuck and the dude is grabbing at my neck or shoulders. Crash in elbow first at neck level with a shift. Ideally they will take a backstep(or even better land on their butt)
 

Kung Fu Wang

Sr. Grandmaster
MT Mentor
Joined
Sep 26, 2012
Messages
14,041
Reaction score
4,488
Location
Austin, Tx/Shell Beach, Ca
But isn't it interesting that you almost never see this in sparring footage of Wing Chun guys?
In order to be able to put your right forearm on your opponent's throat, your left arm should control his leading right arm. This way, you can pull his right arm, push his throat, and ... Without your left arm leading arm control, your opponent can just steps back, your forearm will lose contact on his throat.

The "forearm push on throat" can be seen in this clip.

 
Last edited:

Nobody Important

2nd Black Belt
Joined
May 25, 2016
Messages
893
Reaction score
474
Not so much really. Usually at that range arms are tangled. I can't remember a time in my many hundreds (thousands?) of sparring hours ever being 1 foot away and square with both arms free.

With that said, where I do find value in this technique is as a space maker when my other arm is stuck and the dude is grabbing at my neck or shoulders. Crash in elbow first at neck level with a shift. Ideally they will take a backstep(or even better land on their butt)
Lan, like the majority of Wing Chun techniques, works best in clinching situations IMO. This is why in Yuen Family Wing Chun other branches often state that Fung Siu Chung was a practitioner of formal Shuai Jiao, he was not, the clinch is just where we believe the art should be applied.
 

Danny T

Senior Master
Joined
Sep 5, 2002
Messages
4,258
Reaction score
2,293
Location
New Iberia, Louisiana USA
The Lan structure can be an excellent tool within a grappling or clinch situation to press in to or to control space. Can also be an excellent elbow strike when turning with the Lan structure. Can also be utilized along with Lau sao as a choke in a clinch situation. There are other potentials.
 
Last edited:

Martial D

Senior Master
Joined
May 18, 2017
Messages
3,407
Reaction score
1,156
Lan, like the majority of Wing Chun techniques, works best in clinching situations IMO. This is why in Yuen Family Wing Chun other branches often state that Fung Siu Chung was a practitioner of formal Shuai Jiao, he was not, the clinch is just where we believe the art should be applied.
Experience tells me this is correct.
 

drop bear

Sr. Grandmaster
Joined
Feb 23, 2014
Messages
23,337
Reaction score
8,070
But isn't it interesting that you almost never see this in sparring footage of Wing Chun guys?

If you stayed front on it would become a hockey fight. Which is an increadably hard way to win a fight.
 

Danny T

Senior Master
Joined
Sep 5, 2002
Messages
4,258
Reaction score
2,293
Location
New Iberia, Louisiana USA
But isn't it interesting that you almost never see this in sparring footage of Wing Chun guys?
If you see lan it should be for just a quick period of time unless you have complete control of the opponent. And, in my experience, most wc practitioners don't work to or practice in a grappling situation where lan is quite useful.
 

Kung Fu Wang

Sr. Grandmaster
MT Mentor
Joined
Sep 26, 2012
Messages
14,041
Reaction score
4,488
Location
Austin, Tx/Shell Beach, Ca
If you see lan it should be for just a quick period of time unless you have complete control of the opponent. And, in my experience, most wc practitioners don't work to or practice in a grappling situation where lan is quite useful.
If you also control your opponent's leading arm and leading leg, you can take him down right there.

elbowing_front_cut.jpg
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: KPM

VPT

Green Belt
Joined
May 11, 2017
Messages
156
Reaction score
45
Nobody Important, which line of Yuan Chai Wan brand of Wing Chun do you train? Just asking out of interest since all of them seem to differ from each other quite a lot.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KPM

Nobody Important

2nd Black Belt
Joined
May 25, 2016
Messages
893
Reaction score
474
Nobody Important, which line of Yuan Chai Wan brand of Wing Chun do you train? Just asking out of interest since all of them seem to differ from each other quite a lot.
There is great variation in Vietnamese Vihn Xuan. My lineage is from the northern branch while it was still being taught in the Chinese ex-pats assocuation, my sigong also studied under Ng Chun So prior to studying with Yuen Chai Wan, this is how my branch has all the forms. A trip to Vietnam is planned with some ckassmate to see if we can sort out some of the mess.
 

Latest Discussions

Top