cali_tkdbruin
Master of Arts
Okay, I'll jump on the band wagon, so there was a tourney. Where are the results.Give me names, names, names...
Okay, I'll jump on the band wagon, so there was a tourney. Where are the results.Give me names, names, names...
The site looks to be an event or 2 behind in updating their results. Heck, its only been a few days (weekend days). Give it a bit of time.
Ease up on JK a bit. As I said in another thread, he doesn't have to answer if he doesn't want to.
The other side of that is though, when you make claims, you better have your information straight, because you will be challenged somewhere.
The only doubt I would have is he claims to have won, but doesn't know where, or for who. Makes it hard to keep the resume straight. On the other hand, thats why they make paper lists, to keep info straight that'll get jumbled with the rest from all those head shots we take.
Ease up on JK a bit. As I said in another thread, he doesn't have to answer if he doesn't want to.
The other side of that is though, when you make claims, you better have your information straight, because you will be challenged somewhere.
The only doubt I would have is he claims to have won, but doesn't know where, or for who. Makes it hard to keep the resume straight. On the other hand, thats why they make paper lists, to keep info straight that'll get jumbled with the rest from all those head shots we take.
M
Master of Blades
Guest
So Im confused.........Did he have a tournament or not?
And Kaith.......I agree with you, he DOESNT have to answer. BUT it is common Courtesy to answer them. Mostly everybody on this board has answered his questions and simpithised with him but there is only so much you can do. He keeps saying things that bring up those questions BUT then doesnt answer them. I find that just plain rude....specially as everyone trys hard to make him see some sense only to find themselves blocked out and un-answered. I'm just getting slightly pissed off and the only people I sympathise for are the ones who reply to his posts.....:shrug:
I also disagree with Martial Artist having to apoligise. He was just challenging someone who made a claim with no reply or proof to it. Only afterwards did some people come up with links that still havnt proved anything! Sorry but I just disagree completly.
I apoligise if I came across rude in any way.....But I'm getting bored of these pointless arguments and challenges. :shrug:
And Kaith.......I agree with you, he DOESNT have to answer. BUT it is common Courtesy to answer them. Mostly everybody on this board has answered his questions and simpithised with him but there is only so much you can do. He keeps saying things that bring up those questions BUT then doesnt answer them. I find that just plain rude....specially as everyone trys hard to make him see some sense only to find themselves blocked out and un-answered. I'm just getting slightly pissed off and the only people I sympathise for are the ones who reply to his posts.....:shrug:
I also disagree with Martial Artist having to apoligise. He was just challenging someone who made a claim with no reply or proof to it. Only afterwards did some people come up with links that still havnt proved anything! Sorry but I just disagree completly.
I apoligise if I came across rude in any way.....But I'm getting bored of these pointless arguments and challenges. :shrug:
Johnathan Napalm
Black Belt
When you are confronted by a criminal or a hothead, do you ask him if he is trained or untrained first?
Johnathan Napalm
Black Belt
What really bores me is when people fill up all the threads with idle chitchat that has nothing to do with the topic of the thread, that only concerns 2 people, which no one else cares.
And what also bore me are posts that look like they are written by kindergarteners.
Matt Stone
Master of Arts
I hope that last paragraph was meant to be humorous, given the way in which the entire post was written...
Gambarimasu.
:asian:
Johnathan Napalm
Black Belt
I am talking about the usage of proper grammar and correct spelling.
F
fissure
Guest
Not that Yiliquan1 needs my help, but..
Would that include run-on sentences?
F
fissure
Guest
In regard too Judo tournaments - As an Olympic sport there must be a single governing body that oversees the qualification process for prospective team members.
In TKD the USTU is the only org. that is recognized by the IOC to field an Olympic team. It (the USTU) sanctions state championships, with medalists becoming eligible for National competition. At this point the medalists from Nationals then go on to team trials.
Is there a similar "main" governing body for Judo? Often small TKD org. will hold "state" championships, that are open only to a small group of friendly (to the person holding the event) schools. Obviously, a "state champ" in one of these type events doesn't hold much water within the TKD world. I assume (always risky!) that similar situations arise in other MAs- Judo among them. As such, which of the previous situation does JudoKid's tournament fall under? I mean no disrespect, I'm simply trying to gage the level at which he is competing.Either way, good job on your results JK.
In TKD the USTU is the only org. that is recognized by the IOC to field an Olympic team. It (the USTU) sanctions state championships, with medalists becoming eligible for National competition. At this point the medalists from Nationals then go on to team trials.
Is there a similar "main" governing body for Judo? Often small TKD org. will hold "state" championships, that are open only to a small group of friendly (to the person holding the event) schools. Obviously, a "state champ" in one of these type events doesn't hold much water within the TKD world. I assume (always risky!) that similar situations arise in other MAs- Judo among them. As such, which of the previous situation does JudoKid's tournament fall under? I mean no disrespect, I'm simply trying to gage the level at which he is competing.Either way, good job on your results JK.
Johnathan Napalm
Black Belt
I was making a clarification of my previous post, which I believe, was misconstrued as making reference to the content of posts.
I do believe my posts would serve a purpose if they help to reduce irrelevant materials from spilling over from the Locker Room section into this section. But, that remains to be seen. We can only hope.
I do believe my posts would serve a purpose if they help to reduce irrelevant materials from spilling over from the Locker Room section into this section. But, that remains to be seen. We can only hope.
M
MartialArtist
Guest
Yeah, Judo Kid probably did compete.
But to call yourself a state champion beacuse you won that tournament is laughable. The tournament can call itself a "state" tournament but you described it well.
What gives everything away is that there is a WA State tournament every few weeks, hosted by the same person.
Matt Stone
Master of Arts
I remember, once upon a time, competing in the Amateur Athletic Union Chinese Martial Arts Division regional and national tournaments...
I did pretty well, I suppose. I won first and second place in forms and sparring at both levels, racking up 8 Regional Champion and 5 National Champion titles, to include the "all around" Championship title one year...
Sounds pretty impressive, huh?
Trouble was, there were usually only 1 - 3 other people in my competition group. So I guess Champion of the Region or Champion of the Nation are pretty relative titles when you break them down...
All a tournament win means is that on that day, at that time, at that moment, against that person, you won. Change one thing, and you could have lost (and lost miserably, at that).
I like tournaments. But when I was a kid, I liked to play tag, hide and go seek, and other games too...
Gambarimasu.
:asian:
I did pretty well, I suppose. I won first and second place in forms and sparring at both levels, racking up 8 Regional Champion and 5 National Champion titles, to include the "all around" Championship title one year...
Sounds pretty impressive, huh?
Trouble was, there were usually only 1 - 3 other people in my competition group. So I guess Champion of the Region or Champion of the Nation are pretty relative titles when you break them down...
All a tournament win means is that on that day, at that time, at that moment, against that person, you won. Change one thing, and you could have lost (and lost miserably, at that).
I like tournaments. But when I was a kid, I liked to play tag, hide and go seek, and other games too...
Gambarimasu.
:asian:
M
MartialArtist
Guest
I remember wrestling. People would argue all over in the newspapers saying this kid will beat this kid and all that. They would RATE the kids and try to explain why this kid is sooooo much better than the other kid. Turns out, the winner was a lot of the time an unknown kid. Appeared out of nowhere. Beat the previous state champion and stripped away his title his senior year.
One day, the champion might pin the guy in the first round or tech-fall the guy. But I've seen second-year wrestlers who would beat them the next time. In their next meeting, the state champ beats him. Then the unknown kid beats him.
What's even stranger is the rock-paper-scissors thing that happens a lot in wrestling. One kid might be able to beat this kid, while lose to the other kid, but the kid he beat pinned the guy he lost to. That's why you can't tell who'll win by saying, "I beat this kid and that kid beat the kid I'm facing". Actually, you can't even say anything. A 16-0 wrestler got pinned by a 0-9 Freshman wrestler. The 16-0 wrestler was winning 11-1 by the end of the first round. He was toying with the freshman. The 16-0 senior gets lazy and gets throw in a head-and-arm and gets pinned.
At state championships, it's all relative. That's why I won't call ANYONE a state, national, or world champion unless they are from a reputable tournament, sponsered by a well-known organization. The tournament judo-kid went to wasn't a state tournament IMO, it just called itself that. Yeah, it's held in the state, but my definition of a state tournament is everyone in the state has the chance to go, and everyone knows about the event, and it has to be well-known and well-supported. The organizer of the state tournament hosts a "state" tournament what, ever other month? Just because it's held in WA state doesn't make it the state championships. If somebody goes to what a tournament organized by a man nobody has heard of and calls itself a national tournament, I'll say he's crazy. If a guy competes in it and says he's the national tournament winner, he's crazy. If it was a big event, then yes. For world, if he competed in the Goodwill Games or the Olympics, that's something.
It's the same in wrestling, there was a tournament called the Pac-Coast. It should mean the Pacific West Coast. However, not every school was invited. Although a school came from every Pacific state along with Idaho, and there were hundreds of wrestlers, it would be wrong for the winner of one weight class to call himself the best wrestler in the Pacific West.
Not everyone can go to the state tournament, but everyone has a chance to go. To get to state, you have to win districts and if you place well in that, you get to go on to regionals. Then you go to state. And there are thousands of wrestlers that go to districts, but very few of them get to state. EVERY WRESTLER IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON KNOWS ABOUT IT, THE PRESS KNOWS ABOUT IT, THERE IS A LOT OF BUZZ ON IT. Held in the Tacoma Dome, music is blared out like the Tyson-Lewis match. Everyone is pumped. Thousands of people come and watch. That's a state championship.
Have you ever been to a boxing, muay thai, wrestling, TKD, MMA (UFC, Pride), karate, or etc. STATE, NATIONAL, etc. or even regional championship where the press wasn't over it, was held in a high school, and had no more than 200 people in the seats/stands?
Or even take other sports. My nephew's high school team got 3rd in state in football for 3A. I flew over to WA during Thanksgiving DAy, they were practicing. I stayed to see the Friday game. It wasn't even the semi-finals, yet, the Tacoma Dome was packed. And the Tacoma Dome holds thousands of people.
Granted football is specated by lots of people, but you would expect a sell-out for the state championships, not for a quarter-final.
One day, the champion might pin the guy in the first round or tech-fall the guy. But I've seen second-year wrestlers who would beat them the next time. In their next meeting, the state champ beats him. Then the unknown kid beats him.
What's even stranger is the rock-paper-scissors thing that happens a lot in wrestling. One kid might be able to beat this kid, while lose to the other kid, but the kid he beat pinned the guy he lost to. That's why you can't tell who'll win by saying, "I beat this kid and that kid beat the kid I'm facing". Actually, you can't even say anything. A 16-0 wrestler got pinned by a 0-9 Freshman wrestler. The 16-0 wrestler was winning 11-1 by the end of the first round. He was toying with the freshman. The 16-0 senior gets lazy and gets throw in a head-and-arm and gets pinned.
At state championships, it's all relative. That's why I won't call ANYONE a state, national, or world champion unless they are from a reputable tournament, sponsered by a well-known organization. The tournament judo-kid went to wasn't a state tournament IMO, it just called itself that. Yeah, it's held in the state, but my definition of a state tournament is everyone in the state has the chance to go, and everyone knows about the event, and it has to be well-known and well-supported. The organizer of the state tournament hosts a "state" tournament what, ever other month? Just because it's held in WA state doesn't make it the state championships. If somebody goes to what a tournament organized by a man nobody has heard of and calls itself a national tournament, I'll say he's crazy. If a guy competes in it and says he's the national tournament winner, he's crazy. If it was a big event, then yes. For world, if he competed in the Goodwill Games or the Olympics, that's something.
It's the same in wrestling, there was a tournament called the Pac-Coast. It should mean the Pacific West Coast. However, not every school was invited. Although a school came from every Pacific state along with Idaho, and there were hundreds of wrestlers, it would be wrong for the winner of one weight class to call himself the best wrestler in the Pacific West.
Not everyone can go to the state tournament, but everyone has a chance to go. To get to state, you have to win districts and if you place well in that, you get to go on to regionals. Then you go to state. And there are thousands of wrestlers that go to districts, but very few of them get to state. EVERY WRESTLER IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON KNOWS ABOUT IT, THE PRESS KNOWS ABOUT IT, THERE IS A LOT OF BUZZ ON IT. Held in the Tacoma Dome, music is blared out like the Tyson-Lewis match. Everyone is pumped. Thousands of people come and watch. That's a state championship.
Have you ever been to a boxing, muay thai, wrestling, TKD, MMA (UFC, Pride), karate, or etc. STATE, NATIONAL, etc. or even regional championship where the press wasn't over it, was held in a high school, and had no more than 200 people in the seats/stands?
Or even take other sports. My nephew's high school team got 3rd in state in football for 3A. I flew over to WA during Thanksgiving DAy, they were practicing. I stayed to see the Friday game. It wasn't even the semi-finals, yet, the Tacoma Dome was packed. And the Tacoma Dome holds thousands of people.
Granted football is specated by lots of people, but you would expect a sell-out for the state championships, not for a quarter-final.
OP
OP
J-kid
Guest
Its only once a year?
I'm not finding too much info folks, however....
USJI
January 25
Washington State Championships, Puyallup, WA
Jim Viloria, 360-620-9330
Though the link on the site to USJI membership form goes to the USJF site.
The USJF site Has no events listed for January, however it looks like they only list future events, not past.
They claim to have been around since 1952.
Based on the info there, and his past statements, I don't see him in the wrong here. If someone in the Washington area wants to make a phonecall and ask Jim Viloria for more info, please do so.
Basically, 'what organization sanctioned the event' and 'who won'. I think JK listed his division back there somewhere.
Then, maybe we can put this issue to bed, and get back to the topic of this thread?
USJI
January 25
Washington State Championships, Puyallup, WA
Jim Viloria, 360-620-9330
Though the link on the site to USJI membership form goes to the USJF site.
The USJF site Has no events listed for January, however it looks like they only list future events, not past.
They claim to have been around since 1952.
Based on the info there, and his past statements, I don't see him in the wrong here. If someone in the Washington area wants to make a phonecall and ask Jim Viloria for more info, please do so.
Basically, 'what organization sanctioned the event' and 'who won'. I think JK listed his division back there somewhere.
Then, maybe we can put this issue to bed, and get back to the topic of this thread?
K
kajupaul
Guest
J KID.try to respect other martial artists.you have labled yourself as a martial artist,so please try to act like one.I know how its done on bullshido.you go to other boards talk crap then go back and brag about it.
thank you
thank you
K
kajupaul
Guest
sorry,i am new here.just reading through and found the bragging repulsive.Its a trait of bullshido i guess.
Yeah, clearly, these are the words of someone who's religion won't let them bow to the mat.
Gordon Nore
Senior Master
The thread's almost five years stale. He can't hear you.
