Take the test is your school a mcdojo.

[Cthulhu]

Originally posted by MartialArtist
Yes, but it's pretty obvious when one fakes it or not.

If the master has a whitened belt and just wants money, you can tell he's a fake. There are many ways to tell. However, it could be he's experienced in McDojo schools so hence, the white.

But just by talking to him, you can realize whether he's the real deal or a fake most of the time. If he says "my art = best", "sign $9000 annual contract", etc. - obvious

Which means you're going by other, more accurate methods of determining the instructor's abilities than mere belt color, which was my whole point

Cthulhu

 

[cali_tkdbruin]

Originally posted by Cthulhu
Which means your going by other, more accurate methods of determining the instructor's abilities than mere belt color, which was my whole point

Cthulhu

Yup, you are correct Sir! Whether their belt is faded or not should not been used are the sole criterion to determine an instructor's worth... :asian:

 

[Jay Bell]

Originally posted by Judo-kid
I dont know about you guys but i dont shake hands with objects that arnt alive, (see shinto relegion) in the shinto relegion they believe they must show respect to items that have no life in them, Give them a spirital meaning. That is why Alot of judo is part of the shinto relegion and there is lots of other proof you can ask alot of judo masters they will say that shinto has some ground work in Judo/Jujutsu.

JK,

Your ignorance causes me physical pain. Shinto is not part of Judo. Most budo have buddhist or shugendo ties, not Shinto.

If you would pay attention to these posts instead of running your mouth so much, you might learn something.

 

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by Michael Billings
This thread is clearly a serious waste of beating one's head against a wall.

-Michael Billings

Finally someone talking sense! And within 4 posts......its a miracle :asian:

 

[Shinobi]

I've ran into McDojo's. One for instance was a TKD one. I wasn't allowed to meet the Grandmaster, who's supposedly the highest ranking 9th Dan in the World. Went in, took a 15 minute class(WOW!), whipped into the office. $1000 up front for 1 year contract. 2 year contract and guaranteed a BB. He kept selling and selling, telling me how effective TKD is, how it's the best, yadda yadda. I told him I was allready orange Belt prior to moving, showed credentals, wouldn't lemme keep Rank. Says if I attend every Class within 2 months i'll have earned an organe anyways. Attend 2 Classes a day for a year and i'll make BB. Whatever, so I left.


Next one was MMA. Called them up, 1 year contract, $100 a month to train with undefeated World Champs in over 200 fights. Gave them my background, they said come on and spar and get my *** kicked to see a "REAL" Art. I laughed and said "Idle threats and big ego's come from small minds." and hung up.

 

[cali_tkdbruin]

Originally posted by Shinobi
I've ran into McDojo's. One for instance was a TKD one. I wasn't allowed to meet the Grandmaster, who's supposedly the highest ranking 9th Dan in the World. Went in, took a 15 minute class(WOW!), whipped into the office. $1000 up front for 1 year contract. 2 year contract and guaranteed a BB. He kept selling and selling, telling me how effective TKD is, how it's the best, yadda yadda. I told him I was allready orange Belt prior to moving, showed credentals, wouldn't lemme keep Rank. Says if I attend every Class within 2 months i'll have earned an organe anyways. Attend 2 Classes a day for a year and i'll make BB. Whatever, so I left.


Next one was MMA. Called them up, 1 year contract, $100 a month to train with undefeated World Champs in over 200 fights. Gave them my background, they said come on and spar and get my *** kicked to see a "REAL" Art. I laughed and said "Idle threats and big ego's come from small minds." and hung up.

It's stories such as these that give our Arts a bad name, and also make me want to spew... :barf:

Hope things worked out for you. By the way, it looks like you're new around here, which MA did you end up studying?

 

[Shinobi]

I've studied Kenpo some, Tae Kwon Do some. Right now I don't have any as i've been too busy jobhunting.


But yeah, it is Dojo's like that that give the Arts a bad name. I enjoy TKD very much, but most of the Schools around here are like that. I like Kenpo alot too and may go back once i'm back on my feet.

 

[ace]

Mc Dojo LoL----------

 

[J-kid]

Hey Jey bell heres a idea.
F off/

 

[Shinobi]

Whoa whoa whoa Judo-KID. Calm down. And try listening to these dudes instead of acting like you're the be all end all of the Arts.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

First, Some facts:

A true warrior will know the facts before charging stupidly into combat in ignorance.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/shinto.htm

Shinto beliefs:
Shinto creation stories tell of the history and lives of the "Kami" (deities). Among them was a divine couple, Izanagi-no-mikoto and Izanami-no-mikoto, who gave birth to the Japanese islands. Their children became the deities of the various Japanese clans. Amaterasu Omikami (Sun Goddess) was one of their daughters. She is the ancestress of the Imperial Family and is regarded as the chief deity. Her shrine is at Ise. Her descendants unified the country. Her brother, Susano came down from heaven and roamed throughout the earth. He is famous for killing a great evil serpent.
The Kami are the Shinto deities. The word "Kami" is generally translated "god" or "gods." However, the Kami bear little resemblance to the gods of monotheistic religions. There are no concepts which compare to the Christian beliefs in the wrath of God, his omnipotence and omni-presence, or the separation of God from humanity due to sin. There are numerous other deities who are conceptualized in many forms: Those related to natural objects and creatures, from "food to rivers to rocks." 2
Guardian Kami of particular areas and clans
Exceptional people, including all but the last of the emperors.
Abstract creative forces

They are seen as generally benign; they sustain and protect the people. 9

About 84% of the population of Japan follow two religions: both Shinto and Buddhism. (As in much of Asia, Christianity is quite rarely. 12 Fewer than 1% of adults are Christians.) Buddhism first arrived in Japan from Korea and China during the 6th through 8th centuries CE. The two religions share a basic optimism about human nature, and for the world. Within Shinto, the Buddha was viewed as another "Kami". Meanwhile, Buddhism in Japan regarded the Kami as being manifestations of various Buddhas and Bodhisattvas. Most weddings are performed by Shinto priests; funerals are performed by Buddhist priests.
Shinto does not have as fully developed a theology as do most other religions. It does not have its own moral code. Shintoists generally follow the code of Confucianism.
Their religious texts discuss the "High Plain of Heaven" and the "Dark Land" which is an unclean land of the dead, but give few details of the afterlife.
Ancestors are deeply revered and worshipped.
All of humanity is regarded as "Kami's child." Thus all human life and human nature is sacred.
Believers revere "musuhi", the Kamis' creative and harmonizing powers. They aspire to have "makoto", sincerity or true heart. This is regarded as the way or will of Kami.
Morality is based upon that which is of benefit to the group. "Shinto emphasizes right practice, sensibility, and attitude." 2
There are "Four Affirmations"in Shinto:
Tradition and the family: The family is seen as the main mechanism by which traditions are preserved. Their main celebrations relate to birth and marriage.
Love of nature: Nature is sacred; to be in contact with nature is to be close to the Gods. Natural objects are worshipped as sacred spirits.
Physical cleanliness: Followers of Shinto take baths, wash their hands, and rinse out their mouth often.
"Matsuri": The worship and honor given to the Kami and ancestral spirits.

The desire for peace, which was suppressed during World War II, has been restored.

There is much more info there.

Additional Information on Japanese religious beliefs can be found at :
http://www.askasia.org/teachers/Instructional_Resources/Materials/Readings/Japan/R_japan_38.htm



Secondly Judo Kid, I would strongly suggest a more respectful attitude in the future, and more appropriately, an immediate apology to Mr. Bell.

 

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by Judo-kid
Hey Jey bell heres a idea.
F off/

Or at least spell his name right....:shrug:

 

[jfarnsworth]

Originally posted by Master of Blades
Or at least spell his name right....:shrug:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That might be one of the funniest things you've said.

 

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by jfarnsworth
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That might be one of the funniest things you've said.

Hmmmmm........Out of the long list you mean

 

[Bob Hubbard]

One additional point about having your facts straight....
In my seach for information on Shinto, I found THREE! links that also mentioned Judo. The exact search terms were "Shinto Influence" Judo

1 was in a language I cant read, the other 2 did not in fact connect the 2 terms directly.

So, out of several million webpages, no one has mentioned this 'fact'.

Please, when making statements such as

Originally posted by Judo-kid
I dont know about you guys but i dont shake hands with objects that arnt alive, (see shinto relegion) in the shinto relegion they believe they must show respect to items that have no life in them, Give them a spirital meaning. That is why Alot of judo is part of the shinto relegion and there is lots of other proof you can ask alot of judo masters they will say that shinto has some ground work in Judo/Jujutsu.

You better be willing to back it up with verifiable proof. What, you think the Shinto rituals are "Ring Bell, Pet Desk, Randori?"

So, please, where is all this 'lots of proof'?

 

[Matt Stone]

Originally posted by Kaith Rustaz
So, please, where is all this 'lots of proof'?

Y'know, it's funny. I have been doing online forums for maybe two years now, and martial arts in real life since 1986. It never fails to amaze me how the same kinds of situations present themselves over and over and over again...

One of these is the "highly informed student." We all know the guy - young, highly motivated, trains day and night, lives, eats and breathes MA. Somehow, though, it has been the rare occurence where that person really knew what they were talking about from an academic standpoint.

Judo-kid is young. We have driven that point right through the head of the dead horse. I have gone to bat on his behalf, as have several others, trying to remind folks that a) we were like him once, and b) with luck he will learn, grow and mature.

Where is the "lots of proof?" Nowhere. It was a general statement provided as an example of authoritative knowledge that was called out and shown to be hollow. Regrettably, Judo-kid has only the information provided to him by his teachers to go on. Offers have been made for him to expand his knowledge base, but those offers have been left on the side of the road.

We all know better than to fall for generalized statements. I have been trying to monitor what threads I respond to, and how I respond to them, to keep myself from falling into the traps out there. Not going to participate in the nonsensical stuff any longer.

Judo-kid - you know where to find me if you ever want to see what Yiliquan is like. You are welcome any time, but this will be the last time I offer... The ball is in your court. If you take the offer, great. If not, it won't impact my training a bit.

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

 

[Kirk]

Originally posted by Yiliquan1
Judo-kid - you know where to find me if you ever want to see what Yiliquan is like. You are welcome any time, but this will be the last time I offer... The ball is in your court. If you take the offer, great. If not, it won't impact my training a bit.

I don't want to sound like I'm attacking him, but I sincerely think
Judo-Kid is afraid to show up, afraid of a butt whooping. Just my
own personal opinion. Maybe just a wee bit of assurance on your
part could help? Just a suggestion, you haven't come across as
threatening IMO, but maybe he took it that way?

 

[Matt Stone]

I think I said, very directly, that Judo-kid is going to see how we do things, not to be a human punching bag just for our amusement. We reserve that privelige for our students...

He states a level of disrespect for the efficacy of TMA. Fine. I theorize his disrespect stems from a lack of experience with legitimate traditional training. All I want him to do is to observe how TMA are trained (at least how ours is trained), how the techniques work, and why he should at least not wholly discredit TMA based on the comments and opinions of others.

If he wants to mix it up and "spar," fine. We will play nice, since he is still a minor and I don't want his parents coming after me in court. If he makes an a$$ out of himself and tries to do more than "play" in a cooperative manner, attempting to goad us into a rougher response, I will simply ask him to leave. Not because I fear him, but because I have no desire to be the victim of a lawsuit.

It is an educational opportunity, not a challenge match. His for the taking.

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

 

[white belt]

I believe the finest Martial Art to MASTER is DIPLOMACY. All of the people who involved themselves in this thread exhibited varying degrees of expertise toward this goal. To win a battle without raising a hand is the finest skill. A part of "Mastering the Self". Recall the scene in "Enter the Dragon" where Bruce Lee was challenged on the boat ride over to Ohara's island. The challenger was left to drift in a lifeboat. No "physical" blows were struck.

white belt

 

[Kirk]

Originally posted by Yiliquan1
I think I said, very directly, that Judo-kid is going to see how we do things, not to be a human punching bag just for our amusement.

He states a level of disrespect for the efficacy of TMA. Fine. I theorize his disrespect stems from a lack of experience with legitimate traditional training. All I want him to do is to observe how TMA are trained (at least how ours is trained), how the techniques work, and why he should at least not wholly discredit TMA based on the comments and opinions of others.

If he wants to mix it up and "spar," fine. We will play nice, since he is still a minor and I don't want his parents coming after me in court. If he makes an a$$ out of himself and tries to do more than "play" in a cooperative manner, attempting to goad us into a rougher response, I will simply ask him to leave. Not because I fear him, but because I have no desire to be the victim of a lawsuit.

It is an educational opportunity, not a challenge match. His for the taking.

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

I agree that this is the message you've been conveying, but the
WAY he's been revealing his reluctance seems odd to me. Like
he just doesn't get the message.