So your in some urban hellhole...

[searcher]

All I can say for myself, is he had better be moving very fast. I tend to be quick on the draw from concealment. If I don't have time to draw, I most likely have enough time to get hit and hope I don't get hurt.

That is, ME get hit, not him.

 

[Flea]

I live in a neighborhood with a major crack problem. I haven't been rushed at (yet,) but I've been harassed and followed down the street more than once.

If someone charged at me, my options would be pretty limited. I would almost certainly have my elderly dog with me, so my first step would be dropping the leash for his safety. After that? Evasive action, while shouting FIRE FIRE FIRE. I'm pretty small and a MA novice; there's no shame in acknowledging one's limitations. Far better to work with them by turning the Olive Oyl routine to one's advantage.

 

[Daniel Sullivan]

minding your own business, when suddenly, a huge, fast moving man comes at you running at full steam, frothing at the mouth yelling "I'm going to kill you!" You have no time to run, no time to hide, no time to pull out a gun, no time to do anything except react FAST or get slammed into by this seemingly insane or drug crazy behemoth baring down on you fast! What do you do? Do you side step him, perhaps trip him, use his force against him, let physics or gravity do the rest and watch him slam into the ground and than go the opposite direction of him FAST. Or do you hit him with some nifty blow into just the right nerve cluster and watch him collapse to your immense relief. Do you grab him and pull him down and put him in some BJJ hold that not even the Gracies could break out of. Or do you do something else. All opinions appreciated.

Sidestep and get a picture of who might be behind me that this guy might be after, while being ready to use his inertia to keep him going in the direction he is already heading and move myself in the opposite.

All while singing Spinal Tap, 'Living in a HELL HOLE.... don't want to live in no HELL HOLE, get me away from this HELL HOLE!'

Daniel

 

[dancingalone]

I turn off my XBox 360?

 

[Joab]

In the 7 years that I lived in downtown Boston, if I emptied my clip in to every wacko that yelled something unpleasant and was moving in my direction, I'd be in an orange jumpsuit at MCI-Framingham right now instead of a comfortable exurban apartment.

We aqre talking about ahuge maniac runnig at you full speed, forthing at the mouth screaming, "I'm going to kill you!" He's not just yelling at you, impact is immininent. Most likely I would die in this scenario, which is why it scares me.

 

[Joab]

Sorry, Joab, this is not a reasonable scenario to be answered. You have put forth a situation where you see an attack coming, but then you have our options limited due to lack of time? Then you want us to give you our response to the attack? I'm afraid that cannot be done. The best you can hope to get from us here is a thought-out answer based on experience and training, but that is by no means a real answer. In the situation you propose, there is no time to "think things out". The only answer is to experience it and find out (as previously stated).

There is simply not enough information to give a realistic answer, all we have is a big guy charging at us... how are their arms? How far away are they? Are they coming in looking like they are going to grab, hit, or ram with their shoulder? How much room do you have to move? If I can't draw and shoot (far less likely here in Australia, in any case), do I have other weapons? Does he? Does he have friends? Do I? Are there witnesses? What are the surroundings? Are there buildings, or cars? Can you see where I'm going with this?

It's likely a problem with my failure to describe it as well as I should have. It's very clear in my mind. You walking down the street, you hear and than see some huge behemoth coming at you full speed, you have no time to think, only react. This is typical in this kind of situation. I've worked 15 years in security, rent a cop, crowd control, bouncer in a tavern, security in a beer garden, fraternity party, you name it I've pretty much done it, written many an incident report, and generally attacks happen so fast you don't have time to think. Regarding the arms, I picture them in front, he's running at you like he is going to tackle you on a football field. Believe it or not, I don't stay awake, shivering at night with this scenario buzzing uncontrollably in my head. It came to me as a way to elicit different ideas if this scenario ever came to pass. In this scenario your going to have to move fast. I would likely side step, something I'm good at, and sweep or kick low fast. Might work, probably wouldn't. The key really is being aware of your surroundings enough that you don't get caught as off guard or surprised as this scenario indicates.

At any rate, I appreciate your comments, they were a bit too long to include all of it.

 

[Joab]

Sidestep and get a picture of who might be behind me that this guy might be after, while being ready to use his inertia to keep him going in the direction he is already heading and move myself in the opposite.

All while singing Spinal Tap, 'Living in a HELL HOLE.... don't want to live in no HELL HOLE, get me away from this HELL HOLE!'

Daniel

I'm amazed so many make such a fuss over the phrase "urban hell hole" I have lived in an urban hell hole, they arn't pleasant. Forget the urban hell hole picture something else to your liking, no offense to anyone living in a big city. I liked your ideas Daniel, and humor, my urban hell hole words were meant for others who found this phrase so offensive, nothing like this ever happened in the suburbs and small towns I have lived in, the big city YES!

 

[Sukerkin]

I have to confess that given the parameters of the scenario the most likely thing I would do is point, shout very loudly "Your flies are undone!", try to step off line as he came past and run as fast as I could in the direction he came from.

I'm not fighting huge, insane, fellows without the benefit of my katana .

 

[Deaf Smith]

In this scenario there is no time to pull out your gun.

Joab,

I think if I have time to side-step then I have time to draw. Hip/retention shooting can be done, including reaction time, in a second or less (you don't bring the gun past the belt buckle region when you fire.) And considering he is charging, he will be well within 12 ft. So accuracy will be no problem.

Now if he suprised you and your first warning is you see him running toward you, well that changes the OODA loop. But in scenario said he yelled. This is where the tactic, "moving off the 'X'" comes in. You move in an oblique while drawing (and firing.) It's done in one motion.

As long as you are well practiced it will work. And multiple .40s hit pretty hard.

Deaf

 

[searcher]

In the 7 years that I lived in downtown Boston, if I emptied my clip in to every wacko that yelled something unpleasant and was moving in my direction, I'd be in an orange jumpsuit at MCI-Framingham right now instead of a comfortable exurban apartment.

Clip? Do you carry an old M1 Garand? Girl that would be scary as all get out.verkill:

 

[Carol]

Clip? Do you carry an old M1 Garand? Girl that would be scary as all get out.verkill:

Yeah, but no one, I say no one, ever messes with me.

 

[celtic_crippler]

Step up the circle and watch him run past. Then call the CDC and inform them that there's a possible rabies outbreak.

 

[Ronin74]

I'd imagine that if there was time to sidestep and trip him, then pulling out a firearm wouldn't be out of the question either, but for the sake of the OP, I'd opt for moving out of the way and either tripping him or letting run into a wall, whichever would take him out or off his feet. Then if he were still awake, maybe I'd bash his head with some random object so he'd be out of it.

 

[Carol]

We aqre talking about ahuge maniac runnig at you full speed, forthing at the mouth screaming, "I'm going to kill you!" He's not just yelling at you, impact is immininent. Most likely I would die in this scenario, which is why it scares me.

Most likely, I wouldn't. Which is why it doesn't scare me.

Good luck with your training.

 

[Chris Parker]

Hi Joab,

Yes, it does seem very clear in your mind. That was my point, really, the specific scenario comes from your mind, and your imagination. This is something that scares you. This is why I said that spending time focusing on something that scares you is not the most productive way to approach your training[/COLOR].

You walking down the street, you hear and than see some huge behemoth coming at you full speed, you have no time to think, only react.

This, my friend, I agree with completely. In fact, this is why I said we can't answer. You seem to be asking for a thought out answer to a hypothetical you know can't be thought out. So my real answer as to what I would do is "Respond". Don't know how, just that I would. And hopefully effectively.

This is typical in this kind of situation. I've worked 15 years in security, rent a cop, crowd control, bouncer in a tavern, security in a beer garden, fraternity party, you name it I've pretty much done it, written many an incident report, and generally attacks happen so fast you don't have time to think.

Hmmm, is there a reason you are putting yourself in deliberately dangerous situations again and again? The reasons can range from good and healthy (wanting to help/protect others) to bad and unhealthy (wanting to feel powerful over others through physical domination), or simply emotion and ego-driven (anger, or fear). If it is just to gain confidence in this incredibly challenging field, then a few months should suffice, so we can probably rule that out. Again, I don't want to get into the psychology too much, but I'm getting an idea from these posts.

Regarding the arms, I picture them in front, he's running at you like he is going to tackle you on a football field.

Thanks, but actually irrelevant. I know I had asked the question in my post, but that part was largely rhetorical, simply designed to illustrate the lack of feasability of the original question, not a real question in and of itself. But if we change the arms, then answers will change as well.

Believe it or not, I don't stay awake, shivering at night with this scenario buzzing uncontrollably in my head. It came to me as a way to elicit different ideas if this scenario ever came to pass.

No, I believe it. I would hope not, at the very least. But you do realise that asking this type of "what if" question can simply never be answered?

In this scenario your going to have to move fast. I would likely side step, something I'm good at, and sweep or kick low fast. Might work, probably wouldn't. The key really is being aware of your surroundings enough that you don't get caught as off guard or surprised as this scenario indicates.

Okay, but is that really how you would respond? Only one way to find out, I guess... you may freeze and get hit, you know. Or scream and suddenly go straight for his throat... under a major case of fear and adrenaline, things you may never have considered could happen.

At any rate, I appreciate your comments, they were a bit too long to include all of it.

My pleasure, I always enjoy anything that makes me think. Glad you could get something out of it. And, yeah, brevity is not one of my traits I have been told....

 

[Daniel Sullivan]

I'm amazed so many make such a fuss over the phrase "urban hell hole" I have lived in an urban hell hole, they arn't pleasant. Forget the urban hell hole picture something else to your liking, no offense to anyone living in a big city. I liked your ideas Daniel, and humor, my urban hell hole words were meant for others who found this phrase so offensive, nothing like this ever happened in the suburbs and small towns I have lived in, the big city YES!

Suburbia gets ribbed by city dwellers and folks in more rural areas, cities by suburbanites and rural dwellers, and rural areas by city dwellers and suburbanites. I figure it is harmless and we can all look at the factors that contribute to whatever stereotyps exist about our regional dwelling choice.

We suburbanites are considered wasteful, boring, and conformist. And I can easily look around my area and see why, thus I take no offense when people point it out.

Daniel

 

[Deaf Smith]

Yeah, but no one, I say no one, ever messes with me.

Carol,

If it's a Garand, just FIX BAYONET! Use it as a pike. No need to waste good ought six ammo.

Deaf

 

[Carol]

Carol,

If it's a Garand, just FIX BAYONET! Use it as a pike. No need to waste good ought six ammo.

Deaf

Plus effective use of the bayonet means never having to say you're...........filling out all the paperwork the BPD requires for any sort of discharge of a firearm within city limits.

 

[BLACK LION]

not a reasonable scenario to assess but I can combine it with the comments and make something from it....

The first mistake is allowing your worst fears to dictate your life or death.... I see too much voodoo power and mystical magic adorned upon raging drug crazed lunatics or some psycho wielding a machete or a sub machine gun.... Far too often do I see people mentally-verbally and physically sign thier own death warrant due to thier fears or just plain ignorance to the simple principles of combating a threat.... If you have no faith then what do you expect the outcome to be... you cannot posess any true skill without faith....

all you have before you is flesh and bone ... thats it.
wreck it or dont... thats your choice... injure them or help them injure yourself... your choice... those are the options.... might as well supply the duct tape , chloroform, gag and car keys while your at it... maybe help him kidnap a couple others along the way to the secondary crime scene...

cmon.


When faced with a bonafide threat they must get 0% consideration...regardless of their prowess.... 0%... means you give them nothing ... BUT YOU TAKE EVERYTHING... if you cant establish that in your mind and your heart first then you shouldnt even consider combat or battle of conflict or anything relative....

You will never find me making any excuses that puts the odds in the favor of the enemy... regardless if they are armed to the teeth or a rabid grizzly bear... you will find me showing no quarter on any and evey plane...

 

[Joab]

Well,
Chris, as to why I kept putting myself in dangerous situations, I had bills to pay. It' s more dangerous being homeless. Quite frankly, my cart pushing job is more dangerous than any of my security jobs present and past, I've lost count of how many times I've almost been run over by a car while cart pushing in a huge Walmart parking lot.