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No, it’s a bit pathetic because it’s martially unsound.
A huge miscreant, guilty of child murder, rape and pillaging lumbers toward you, brandishing a broken bottle and a serrated knife, his face learing and contorted with murderous rage and intent; he’s clearly going to kill you by ripping you to shreds and then defaecate on your remains. Suddenly, just in front of you, he drops his knife and as he bends over to pick it up, what do you do? Karate ni sente nashi?
Of course not. You take the initiative because his intent is clear. Yes it’s possible he might just be playing around and he’s actually going to ask for your forgiveness and ask you to turn him in to the police, but it’s very, very unlikely. So you strike first! It is martially logical.
Same Trick93 44
Master of Arts
I thought first strike meant being first with intent to commit violence
Isn’t that exactly what it says?
But the maxin doesn’t say, ‘In Karate there is no first intent to attack’. Thus if you strike him in certain anticipation of his imminent assault upon you, you have, as a Karateka, struck first and violated the maxim.
Perhaps a ‘legalese ’ revision of the maxim would be useful. I suggest the following;
‘A Karateka should aim not to attack first, be it physically or by intention, although in a situation of desperation, where there is clearly the imminent threat of injury or death to oneself, family or an innocent bystander, one is morally permitted to nullify that threat by initiating violent action [by striking].’
Pithy, eh?
The whole concept is bovine faeces
and this sort of revision is why members of the legal profession are unpopular within the traditional martial arts.
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Same Trick93 44
Master of Arts
the child killer you mentioned that had intent to kill you had with that intention already begun his strike, so why in that situation were you worried that it was you that was about breaking rules being the first striker ?
You’re interpreting the maxim to fit your notion of propriety; take it as written . She hasn’t actually struck you has she?
Because the maxim doesn’t mention the word ‘intention’ in any form. Whoever coined it could have easily phrased it as ‘In Karate there is no intention of a first attack’ if that’s what they meant.
Same Trick93 44
Master of Arts
You yourself bind intent with action -
”his face learing and contorted with murderous rage and intent; he’s clearly going to kill you by ripping you to shreds and then defaecate on your remains”
- You
Same Trick93 44
Master of Arts
There is no first strike in true Karate, in fact there is no strike at all in true Karate , because…..
”To become an object of an attack is an indication that there was an opening in one's guard, and the important thing is to be on guard at all times.”
- Gichin Funakoshi
true Karate is always on guard
”To become an object of an attack is an indication that there was an opening in one's guard, and the important thing is to be on guard at all times.”
- Gichin Funakoshi
true Karate is always on guard
To address the OP @opr1945 how about…
‘Tomorrow's battle is won during today's practice’
‘A black belt is a white belt who never gave up’ (or bought one from ebay)
‘Suffer in the dojo, triumph on the battlefield’
‘Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth’ (Mike Tyson)
‘Violence is rarely the answer, but when it is, it is the only answer’
‘Speed is good, but accuracy is final.’ Wyatt Earp… I know cattle herders are popular state side!
‘If you're in a fair fight, your tactics are poor’ John Steinbeck
‘Choosing to be a warrior is a lifetime commitment’
‘Run away if you can, fight dirty if you must’
‘If you're going through hell, keep going.’ — Winston Churchill
‘Tomorrow's battle is won during today's practice’
‘A black belt is a white belt who never gave up’ (or bought one from ebay)
‘Suffer in the dojo, triumph on the battlefield’
‘Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth’ (Mike Tyson)
‘Violence is rarely the answer, but when it is, it is the only answer’
‘Speed is good, but accuracy is final.’ Wyatt Earp… I know cattle herders are popular state side!
‘If you're in a fair fight, your tactics are poor’ John Steinbeck
‘Choosing to be a warrior is a lifetime commitment’
‘Run away if you can, fight dirty if you must’
‘If you're going through hell, keep going.’ — Winston Churchill
Oh so now it’s ’In true Karate there is no first attack’? More personal reinterpretation.
Are you one of those people who crouches a little when walking around with your eyes darting from side to side?
Just admit that it’s a maxim that doesn’t bear close scrutiny.
No-I’m using the description to paint a picture of threat for the purposes of the post
Same Trick93 44
Master of Arts
Well, okay , as you say, it’s a “maxim”, you read that word ? It indicates something great/greatness, and that’s just what truth is, Great.
So a maxim about Karate by Great Supreme Karate Master Gichin Funakoshi is telling about True Karate.
I win, because I didn’t strike first
Same Trick93 44
Master of Arts
You tube don’t work here in the far east(China), so meaning what you put forth on Karate((meaning ”China hand”) is of no importance or truthYes, you…errr…win with a brilliant rebuttal
Great indeed
Oh, well it’s a video of Funakoshi practising blocks and counters with a student. funakoshi looks like a beginner who’s had 6 month’s practices. His timing is awful, he leans backward his limbs aren’t at nice neat angles.
so meaning what you put forth on Karate((meaning ”China hand”) is of no importance or truth
