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[Kung Fu Wang]

Some may not agree that Taiji lacks hip throw.
example:

There is no hip throw in that video.

Hip throw has to follow 2 principles.

1. Use your hip to bounce your opponent's body off the ground.
2. Use your waist to lift your opponent's waist off the ground.

Both require knee bend -> knee straight. Neither principle is shown in that video.

 

[windwalker099]

There is no hip throw in that video.

Hip throw has to follow 2 principles.

1. Use your hip to bounce your opponent's body off the ground.
2. Use your waist to lift your opponent's waist off the ground.

Both require knee bend -> knee straight. Neither principle is shown in that video.

Now it's about principles, ok
Depends on how you define “hip throw.” In Taiji, the throw may not follow the Judo-style knee-bend, explode model, but the structure and timing still off-balance the opponent using the hips. It’s not about lifting,it’s about redirecting and turning their center.

Different method, same principle.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Different method, same principle.

You are talking about different throw and not hip throw here.

If you ask me, "Which move in long fist form can help you to develop hip throw?" My answer to you will be, "There is no move in Long fist form that can help me to develop hip throw." In all the long fist forms that I know, there exist no

- both knees bend -> both knees straight.
- bend head forward with head down and hip up.

Which move in Taiji form can help you to develop hip throw?

 

[windwalker099]

If you ask me, "Which move in long fist form can help you to develop hip throw?" My answer to you will be, "There is no move in Long fist form that can help me to develop hip throw." In all the long fist forms that I know, there exist no

- both knees bend -> both knees straight.
- bend head forward with head down and hip up.

Which move in Taiji form can help you to develop hip throw?

But I didn't ask , nor feel there is a need for any method/style to use or have what other styles, or methods have.
All are different with different focuses and strategies. One should find what suits them, and focus on it...

your teacher taught taiji, didn't he teach hip throws ?

 

[MadMartigan]

Whereas my curriculum would be more along the lines of: green belts learn head kicks. That gives instructors a lot of flexibility with how they create drills, combos, and sequences.

This is a bit off topic, but a small caution. If head kicks are a non-optional part of your curriculum, that's fine... but you will severely limit what type of students you attract.

I have several adult students who joined post 40. A couple of them will never be throwing head level side or round kicks... and that's OK. They aren't flexible, but they are great students who I would not want to drive away at green belt when their success moving forward now depends on their greatest weakness (hip flexibility).

I do like the principle based curriculum, and have a similar structure myself (each belt works on X kicking skills, but the drills to reach that goal vary from student to student or class to class). As long as there is a consistent grading syllabus, the specific drills aren't that important.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Just to be clear for the name of the throw. This video shows 3 different throws in 1, 2, 3 order.

1. 蹩(Bie) Leg break - Both feet on the ground in bow-arrow stance. He talks about this may break his opponent's knee.
2. 搵(Wen) Hip throw - Both feet on the ground in horse stance, knees bend -> knee straight.
3. 撩(Liao) Back kick - Use your leg to knock your opponent's leg off the ground.

Some may not agree that Taiji lacks hip throw.

Taiji has some throws. But taiji doesn't have "hip throw".

In this video, only "彈(Tan) Leg spring" is shown, The "搵(Wen) Hip throw" is not shown.

This is "彈(Tan) Leg spring" that you use leg to spring your opponent's leg that is closer to you. It is not "搵(Wen) Hip throw".

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[Same Trick]

Do you need to train more than 1 MA system? If you train Taiji all your life, will you be able to do a "hip throw"? The answer is no. The reason is simple. The Taiji system just doesn't contain "hip throw". You may say, "I don't need to learn hip throw". If you say that, someone can also say, "I don't need to learn Taiji".

Which is more important? Taiji or hip throw? Why do we have to make that choice? Why not just train both at the same time?

But Taiji contain throws + striking, kicking and seizing, as do most CMA, not sure about shuai jiao ?

 

[HighKick]

I feared we would be seeing a post like this at some point.
Clearly the relationship with your instructor is tenuous. All the more reason to have had Everything Locked Down before you ever left home. Every T crossed and every I dotted. That ship has sailed so you are now in damage control. And you have to be willing to do whatever it takes. Money grab or not.
Yes, KKW documents can and have been faked but it is always found out in the end by a simple Dan number search. Plus there are ample resources through KKW to make certain your test would be legitimate.
For certain, I hear wrong doing on both sides throughout the one sided story I have read about your testing ventures. Which I hope you understand speculates things. Something to think about later when you have the time.
I cannot overstate strongly enough that you want to reconcile with your instructor. You have a HUGE investment there and, let’s be frank, he holds the keys to your 4th Dan KKW. At least the easiest keys for you. You are Way too close to the finish line to let something as petty as personalities get in the way. If you chose to go your separate ways you do that AFTER you get your rank, not threaten it beforehand.
***I originally put this in the wrong thread and realized it too late to delete so I pasted it to this thread. It is a duplicate. ***

I do not understand choosing Not to get your parents involved. They have history with your instructor, are going to be THERE with you, could be the best moderator for you to resolve the issues, and lock things down. Ask for their help. It means more than you think.
I hope it works out for you but it does not look good. Do what you have to do now to secure what you want for the future. Yes, that will mean playing his game for a while.