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[Kung Fu Wang]

Some may not agree that Taiji lacks hip throw.
example:

There is no hip throw in that video.

Hip throw has to follow 2 principles.

1. Use your hip to bounce your opponent's body off the ground.
2. Use your waist to lift your opponent's waist off the ground.

Both require knee bend -> knee straight. Neither principle is shown in that video.

 

[windwalker099]

There is no hip throw in that video.

Hip throw has to follow 2 principles.

1. Use your hip to bounce your opponent's body off the ground.
2. Use your waist to lift your opponent's waist off the ground.

Both require knee bend -> knee straight. Neither principle is shown in that video.

Now it's about principles, ok
Depends on how you define “hip throw.” In Taiji, the throw may not follow the Judo-style knee-bend, explode model, but the structure and timing still off-balance the opponent using the hips. It’s not about lifting,it’s about redirecting and turning their center.

Different method, same principle.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Different method, same principle.

You are talking about different throw and not hip throw here.

If you ask me, "Which move in long fist form can help you to develop hip throw?" My answer to you will be, "There is no move in Long fist form that can help me to develop hip throw." In all the long fist forms that I know, there exist no

- both knees bend -> both knees straight.
- bend head forward with head down and hip up.

Which move in Taiji form can help you to develop hip throw?

 

[windwalker099]

If you ask me, "Which move in long fist form can help you to develop hip throw?" My answer to you will be, "There is no move in Long fist form that can help me to develop hip throw." In all the long fist forms that I know, there exist no

- both knees bend -> both knees straight.
- bend head forward with head down and hip up.

Which move in Taiji form can help you to develop hip throw?

But I didn't ask , nor feel there is a need for any method/style to use or have what other styles, or methods have.
All are different with different focuses and strategies. One should find what suits them, and focus on it...

your teacher taught taiji, didn't he teach hip throws ?

 

[MadMartigan]

Whereas my curriculum would be more along the lines of: green belts learn head kicks. That gives instructors a lot of flexibility with how they create drills, combos, and sequences.

This is a bit off topic, but a small caution. If head kicks are a non-optional part of your curriculum, that's fine... but you will severely limit what type of students you attract.

I have several adult students who joined post 40. A couple of them will never be throwing head level side or round kicks... and that's OK. They aren't flexible, but they are great students who I would not want to drive away at green belt when their success moving forward now depends on their greatest weakness (hip flexibility).

I do like the principle based curriculum, and have a similar structure myself (each belt works on X kicking skills, but the drills to reach that goal vary from student to student or class to class). As long as there is a consistent grading syllabus, the specific drills aren't that important.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Just to be clear for the name of the throw. This video shows 3 different throws in 1, 2, 3 order.

1. 蹩(Bie) Leg break - Both feet on the ground in bow-arrow stance. He talks about this may break his opponent's knee.
2. 搵(Wen) Hip throw - Both feet on the ground in horse stance, knees bend -> knee straight.
3. 撩(Liao) Back kick - Use your leg to knock your opponent's leg off the ground.

Some may not agree that Taiji lacks hip throw.

Taiji has some throws. But taiji doesn't have "hip throw".

In this video, only "彈(Tan) Leg spring" is shown, The "搵(Wen) Hip throw" is not shown.

This is "彈(Tan) Leg spring" that you use leg to spring your opponent's leg that is closer to you. It is not "搵(Wen) Hip throw".

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