Illinois Banning Amateur MA comps

[Earl Weiss]

Who is it?

Lost your e-mail. Send me an e-mail and I will tell you. Don't want to post a name on the web without there permission.

 

[Earl Weiss]

This is sponsor and co sponsors. Callm them and tell them to vote NO


Call these people and tell them to vote NO.

Angelo Saviano (R)
77th District
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Senator Iris Y. Martinez (D)
20th District
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BiographyBillsCommittees Senator Kyle McCarter (R)
51st District
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Earl Weiss

 

[tshadowchaser]

Not sure but would the law as it stands if approved not be unconstitiutional. It provodes for one group but disallows all others. Thats like saying you can hunt if you belong to group X but everyone else can not. Or you can drive a car if you belong to the NHRA but no one else can.
Anyway if you live in that state start calling you reps and saying NO

 

[puunui]

So, perhaps any TKD would be OK so long as TKD is "recognized" by the IOC and contested in the Olympic Games. Hmm whose to say what is or is not TKD?

Apparently, for this statute at least, the IOC and its recognized International Federation for Taekwondo (the WTF) says what is Taekwondo. I know it won't be one of the many ITFs out there calling the shots on that one, at least on this particular statute.

But, if TKD would lose it's status as an Olymoic sport, then it's screwed as well.

I think that if Taekwondo loses its Olympic status, (which it actually might) then there will be much larger problems and issues than what goes on in Illinois.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

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[Master Dan]

I don't recall her name either but I believe she wasn't champion everyone, just her little corner of the world.

I have already spoken to Sensei Sharkey about this and we are going to fire up the attorney we were using last time when this came about. We already had our foot in the door, letters from affluent martial artists to back up our organization.

As much as I love KKW and WTF it would seem unfair to make them the only game in town? However the need to regulate even amature sports for local governments to seek a new revenue sorce due to the popularity of MMA is one of the reasons KKW TKD is moving fast to have 5,000 licensed masters to prepare for state and local restricitions and licensing. This is one reason I have hung in for almost 40 years with KKW. Other orgs will need to spend money and time to prepare if they don't want to be reduced to a garage back yard industry?

 

[Earl Weiss]

As much as I love KKW and WTF it would seem unfair to make them the only game in town? However the need to regulate even amature sports for local governments to seek a new revenue sorce due to the popularity of MMA is one of the reasons KKW TKD is moving fast to have 5,000 licensed masters to prepare for state and local restricitions and licensing. This is one reason I have hung in for almost 40 years with KKW. Other orgs will need to spend money and time to prepare if they don't want to be reduced to a garage back yard industry?

Licensing your org officials is only the tip of the iceberg. Regulations, fees and taxes will price the competitions out of range for most.

 

[puunui]

Licensing your org officials is only the tip of the iceberg. Regulations, fees and taxes will price the competitions out of range for most.

How so?

 

[Earl Weiss]

How so?

Per above, having a program in place to train your officials is one step toward haveing the department let your org conduct comps. Looked into working with a group for this last time it was passed, but thecosts would still be extreme to comply.
Some requirements:
Event Permit - cost not stated
promotor license. Cost not stated

Gross recpts tax of 5%
Non deductibel insurance of $50,000 per competitor for health, accident and death. Cost???
Competitor state registration - cost not stated.
Department to determine medical personnel required on site. The last time this passed (later repealed) You were required to have an ambulance and paramedics on location as well as a physician.

 

[miguksaram]

Per above, having a program in place to train your officials is one step toward haveing the department let your org conduct comps. Looked into working with a group for this last time it was passed, but thecosts would still be extreme to comply.
Some requirements:
Event Permit - cost not stated
promotor license. Cost not stated

Gross recpts tax of 5%
Non deductibel insurance of $50,000 per competitor for health, accident and death. Cost???
Competitor state registration - cost not stated.
Department to determine medical personnel required on site. The last time this passed (later repealed) You were required to have an ambulance and paramedics on location as well as a physician.

This alone would kill competitions in Illinois. Even if you met the requirements it would cost too much money to hold a local event.

 

[granfire]

cost of 50k per competitor?!

(I don't mind the ambulance/parametic thing, though physician is a bit overkill)

 

[miguksaram]

cost of 50k per competitor?!

(I don't mind the ambulance/paramedic thing, though physician is a bit overkill)

With paramedic/ambulance/physician we estimated an extra $500-$1000.00 an hour extra depending on the physician's charge.

 

[Earl Weiss]

cost of 50k per competitor?!

(I don't mind the ambulance/parametic thing, though physician is a bit overkill)

Minimum Coverage of $50,000 per competitor.

 

[granfire]

Minimum Coverage of $50,000 per competitor.

oohhh, now that's different...

 

[granfire]

With paramedic/ambulance/physician we estimated an extra $500-$1000.00 an hour extra depending on the physician's charge.

When my school hosted a regional even we had a parametic present. Thankfully he was the father of a student...

 

[Master Dan]

cost of 50k per competitor?!

(I don't mind the ambulance/parametic thing, though physician is a bit overkill)

Most of this is not that hard to do for little or no cost if you have a broad base support in the community if not then maybe you need to consider who and what you are teaching?

 

[Earl Weiss]

Most of this is not that hard to do for little or no cost if you have a broad base support in the community if not then maybe you need to consider who and what you are teaching?

Really? I can see for a pro competition where you might have a dozen competitors to pay insurance coverage for and sell a thousands of spectator tickets, but I can't even fathom the costs of this insurance for a relatively small 200 competitor tournament where you might sell a few hundred specator tickets.

Further, last time they passed this department regs stated all competitors needed pre comp physicals and all females needed pregnancy tests as part of that. I bet little 10 year old Susies folks will just love that idea.

 

[puunui]

Per above, having a program in place to train your officials is one step toward haveing the department let your org conduct comps. Looked into working with a group for this last time it was passed, but thecosts would still be extreme to comply.
Some requirements:
Event Permit - cost not stated
promotor license. Cost not stated

Gross recpts tax of 5%
Non deductibel insurance of $50,000 per competitor for health, accident and death. Cost???
Competitor state registration - cost not stated.
Department to determine medical personnel required on site. The last time this passed (later repealed) You were required to have an ambulance and paramedics on location as well as a physician.

I don't know about all of that stuff, but it sounds very much like what USAT requires to host a state championship.

 

[miguksaram]

When my school hosted a regional even we had a parametic present. Thankfully he was the father of a student...

We have always had a paramedic present at the events. That is part of our contractual agreement with the organization. That was never an issue. It is the physician or ambulance presence that would be the high cost.

 

[miguksaram]

Most of this is not that hard to do for little or no cost if you have a broad base support in the community if not then maybe you need to consider who and what you are teaching?

Please explain the correlation between having access to a physician to what and who I am teaching?