Why Wouldn't A Good Athlete Be Good In The Martial Arts

[Darren]

Training with weights does not make you slower, and referencing a single 30 year old study that nobody can find probably indicates what modern exercise science already tells us.

Training with weights, or in water, does not reprogram your brain at all, unless your martial arts training is bad (which is probably the case for most people who don't train realistically.

Watch this video, and try to defend the idea that "leg day" makes people slower. It's an argument from absurdity. We don't need to track down some old study from the late 90's, but if we did and you tried showing it to a fight coach, they'd probably think you were trolling them.

Pay special attention to that part at about 1:00 in when he says about "isolate and do it slow". This is one of the best coaches on the planet, blowing apart the notion that training against water, in water, or with resistance, including body weight, does anything negative. If anything, doing these things makes you faster, stronger, and more powerful.

i trained in the water it only does nothing but HELP!!
i do star block now every once in awhile with a 15 pounds weight, when i first start it was everyday, over time i will and does lead to more powerful,stronger punches, if a enough time passes and you sill do it you will blow past any block that you presented with.

 

[Sammy Naur]

It's difficult to argue with somebody who refuses to engage with the claim that's actually being made. Nobody is saying that resistance training makes you slower.

That's precisely what several people have claimed, in fact I was just lectured about some mysterious Princeton study about the same.

And your point about the weighted bat is non-sequitur. Weighted bats have nothing to do with what we're discussing.

 

[Sammy Naur]

Thank you for making clear what I've been trying to say.

And yet, baseball players still do it.

No, what you've been claiming is wrong according to sports and exercise science.

And the reason baseball players "still do it" has nothing to do with what we're discussing. I'd love to see a single example of an MLB player who statistically does poorer because they swing weighted bats.

"It's difficult to argue with somebody who refuses to engage with the claim" is exactly the snake-eating-its-tail issue going on here.

The claim was training in water, or with weights, makes you worse. That claim is absurd sounding to anyone who actually trains any kind of sport, but especially people who train in full contact sports of any kind.

 

[Sammy Naur]

Oh, athletes do all sorts of things that don't actually help them. Ice baths, kinesiology tape, kettlebells...

Are you being serious with this statement?

What's your athletic experience with ice baths and kettlebells? I'd really like to know your expertise on "don't actually help".

As far as kinesiology tape there is plenty of positive evidence supporting its use.

 

[Prince_Alarming]

And your point about the weighted bat is non-sequitur. Weighted bats have nothing to do with what we're discussing.

It's difficult to argue with somebody who refuses to acknowledge the bleedingly obvious. It's absolutely valid to compare two explosive movements to which you are adding weight.

 

[Sammy Naur]

It's difficult to argue with somebody who refuses to acknowledge the bleedingly obvious. It's absolutely valid to compare two explosive movements to which you are adding weight.

It's difficult because you're wrong, are conflating completely different things (hitting a ball with a stick and doing anything martial arts related), and still have zero evidence to back up your claims.

But based on your posts, and your "nobody is saying" comment, we already know you haven't really been reading the whole thread.

Training in water doesn't make you slower, any more than lifting weights makes you slower, or "conditions your brain".

I suggest you start reading the entire thread over, so that going forward you don't struggle trying to "argue" with modern exercise science. Your comments about ice baths, k-tape....those I can understand as potential skepticism or sarcasm.

Kettlebells? You're going on ignore.

 

[Prince_Alarming]

It's difficult because you're wrong, are conflating completely different things (hitting a ball with a stick and doing anything martial arts related), and still have zero evidence to back up your claims.

It's difficult to argue with somebody who refuses to use his native powers of reasoning.
How man times? move fast, add weight= move fast, add weight. I really wish you would put me on ignore because it's like banging your head against a brick wall.

Ice baths, while commonly used to aid recovery, have never been proved to be anything other than a placebo.
Kettlebells is an interesting one. Do they offer the usual benefits that resistance training has to offer? Obviously. Do they offer anything that conventional dumbbells do not? Obviously not.

 

[Prince_Alarming]

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[isshinryuronin]

The best of luck to your son in law

He got 1st place in his division, over 40 upper body.

 

[isshinryuronin]

Almost any physical exercise is beneficial to the martial artist. It comes with the following caveats:

Exercise is a supplemental activity - it does not teach MA.
Spending too much time on it takes away from MA practice time.
The time that is spent should be on exercises that most efficiently relate to MA ability, dependent on your art.
Overdevelopment of an exercise ability may cause dependence on it, rather than on technique.